Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[pathfinder73]

In the investigation into the murder of Attracta Harron, where was there a line-up of cars?

Yes there was.

"The video clearly showed the spaniel examining the other vehicles without reacting, and as soon as it entered the Lantra it began barking and refused to get out."

http://attracta.martinharran.com/openstate.htm

[pegasus]

Yes there was.

"The video clearly showed the spaniel examining the other vehicles without reacting, and as soon as it entered the Lantra it began barking and refused to get out."

http://attracta.martinharran.com/openstate.htm

When I said the Lantra stood out like a burnt thumb, I mean it was burnt out.
So here is a freeby for those desperate to accuse Mr Grime of cueing - those peeps can argue that he observantly noticed the tiny weeny clue that one car in the selection of four was burnt, and thought "ah I have noticed that car is different because it has had a huge fire in it so that is the car I need to trick Eddie into signalling"

[pathfinder73]

When I said the Lantra stood out like a burnt thumb, I mean it was burnt out.
So here is a freeby for those desperate to accuse Mr Grime of cueing - those peeps can argue that he observantly noticed the tiny weeny clue that one car in the selection of four was burnt, and thought "ah I have noticed that car is different because it has had a huge fire in it so that is the car I need to trick Eddie into signalling"

Yes it's ridiculous. Eddie barks to alert to the car not Grime 

[ferryman]

Yes there was.

"The video clearly showed the spaniel examining the other vehicles without reacting, and as soon as it entered the Lantra it began barking and refused to get out."

http://attracta.martinharran.com/openstate.htm

The account does not make plain that the vehicles were examined simultaneously and the deciding factor was dna evidence, corroborated in a forensic laboratory, as belonging to the victim.

[pathfinder73]

The account does not make plain that the vehicles were examined simultaneously and the deciding factor was dna evidence, corroborated in a forensic laboratory, as belonging to the victim.

"A video without sound was shown in the court showing a Springer Spaniel dog examining two cars and a small van before being taken to the Lantra that had been driven by Hamilton and subsequently burned out, allegedly maliciously.

The video clearly showed the spaniel examining the other vehicles without reacting, and as soon as it entered the Lantra it began barking and refused to get out. Its search of the vehicle focused on the front passenger and rear seats.

Further forensic examination was carried out in the rear and passenger compartments of the vehicle and blood was detected from material taken from the car for examination. A car mat from the rear of the car was also shown to contain blood, and because of that, the investigation focused on Hamilton, Mr Mooney said, which included a comprehensive search of the property at Concess Road and in particular the sites of fires in the garden."

[Alice Purjorick]

Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

In McCann lala land specialist dogs alert to any substance one may care to name but none the less specialist dogs are used by many law enforcement agencies.
Perhaps posters might like to address that little paradox.

[ferryman]

Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

In McCann lala land specialist dogs alert to any substance one may care to name but none the less specialist dogs are used by many law enforcement agencies.
Perhaps posters might like to address that little paradox.

Paradox?

Dogs are useful tools but not infallible.

In the Shannon Matthews case a cadaver dog alerted but there were no bodies.

[faithlilly]

Paradox?

Dogs are useful tools but not infallible.

In the Shannon Matthews case a cadaver dog alerted but there were no bodies.

Now that's not true, is it ferryman ?

The dog alerted to a mattress on which an individual had died.

Why do you spread such easily refuted rubbish ? Are things really that desperate ?

[ferryman]

Now that's not true, is it ferryman ?

The dog alerted to a mattress on which an individual had died.

Why do you spread such easily refuted rubbish ? Are things really that desperate ?

There are alerts that advance a criminal investigation.

And there are alerts that can confound or confuse a criminal enquiry.

And there are alerts that are the result of incompetent mishandling of a dog.

A well trained dog, properly handled, can be an asset to a criminal enquiry.

Even the best-trained dog poorly handled can be an outright liability.

And extraneous and unpredicted variables can simply complicate matters with no advantage to anyone ...

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[Alice Purjorick]

Paradox?

Dogs are useful tools but not infallible.

In the Shannon Matthews case a cadaver dog alerted but there were no bodies.

I do not doubt this but it does not address the question I asked.

[slartibartfast]

Paradox?

Dogs are useful tools but not infallible.

In the Shannon Matthews case a cadaver dog alerted but there were no bodies.

That was the one with the bed in which someone had died, wasn't it.

[sadie]

That was the one with the bed in which someone had died, wasn't it.

Citation please Slarti

[slartibartfast]

Citation please Slarti

Just for you...

NIPA, which you are keen on,

http://news.sky.com/story/844071/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work

[Mr Gray]

Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

In McCann lala land specialist dogs alert to any substance one may care to name but none the less specialist dogs are used by many law enforcement agencies.
Perhaps posters might like to address that little paradox.

simple...specialist dogs are used to find evidence..blood...dead bodies ...body parts.. .drugs...explosives...when they find evidence this can be used in court as evidence

[Brietta]

That was the one with the bed in which someone had died, wasn't it.

I think the point is that despite the dogs alerting to what some refer to as the 'scent of death' - the police did not stop their search for a living child and Shannon was found. I won't say 'safe and well' as the conditions in which she was found leave a lot to be desired and had the search been delayed by a change in focus, who can tell what might have happened.

In the Shannon Mathews case the dogs did what they were trained to do ... but the humans then had to discover an explanation of why they had alerted as they did ... and in the interim continue working on the main objective which was locating the child who was fortunately alive.