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stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1395 on: September 29, 2015, 12:34:53 PM »
Kates statement that the window was pen is evidence admissible in court
The alerts are not
Therefore Kate's statement should carry more weight


Unfortunately, there is no independent verification of the windows or shutters being moved or open before 10 pm.

The only identified fingerprints on the window are hers.

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Offline Lace

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1396 on: September 29, 2015, 12:41:10 PM »
It has yet to be shown that SY interviewed the mccanns or their associates.

The cause of Madeleine's disappearance remains unknown.

'Belief' in abduction, carries no weight in court. FACTS DO.

Now tell me what evidence shows a burglary in the mccanns apartment.

I'm all ears.

What FACTS?

The fact that there is no evidence of a burglary in the McCann's apartment,  doesn't mean it wasn't targeted for a burglary.

That's like saying your house won't be burgled even though there has been several houses in the area that have been burgled.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1397 on: September 29, 2015, 12:44:10 PM »


Unfortunately, there is no independent verification of the windows or shutters being moved or open before 10 pm.

The only identified fingerprints on the window are hers.

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The statement is admissable none the less

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1398 on: September 29, 2015, 12:45:33 PM »
Well would they investigate the theory that a burglar killed Madeleine if they thought the cadaver alerts meant anything?

I would expect competent investigators to follow more than one lead and theory and not discount anything in one theory whilst investigating another.
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Lyall

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1399 on: September 29, 2015, 12:46:26 PM »
Kates statement that the window was pen is evidence admissible in court
The alerts are not
Therefore Kate's statement should carry more weight

&%+((£ Statements generally have to be agreed by both prosecution and defence. If there's dispute the witness would have to give evidence in person. Personally, in this instance, I'd be one of the many queuing for the chance to witness that.

Offline pegasus

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1400 on: September 29, 2015, 12:49:17 PM »
Kates statement that the window was pen is evidence admissible in court
The alerts are not
Therefore Kate's statement should carry more weight
Her statement that she discovered the window open is completely true.
And the clothing alerts even if completely correct would in no way incriminate this witness.

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1401 on: September 29, 2015, 12:51:24 PM »
The statement is admissable none the less

It lacks corroboration.

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ferryman

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1402 on: September 29, 2015, 01:01:29 PM »
In my opinion SY are dismissing the cadaver alerts when they said a burglar could have killed Madeleine and removed her body as if that had happened then there wouldn't be any cadaver to alert to.

A minor quibble with one word.

No opinion about it.

Alerts from the shelved enquiry play literally no part in the direction of this, second, enquiry ...

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1403 on: September 29, 2015, 01:01:48 PM »
As a matter of interest there are metal detectors on the market which react only to gold and some which react to gold and silver ... http://www.metaldetector.com/learn/buying-guide-articles/gold-prospecting/whats-the-best-gold-prospecting-metal-detector
Therefore as well as specialist scent dogs we have specialist metal detectors.  The thing about a mechanical tool is that it can be calibrated to produce a proven response ... can one hand on heart say the same for VRD without forensic back up on their indications?

Only in the sense they work on conductivity and can be tuned to discriminate between different conductivities.
 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1404 on: September 29, 2015, 01:18:43 PM »
Only in the sense they work on conductivity and can be tuned to discriminate between different conductivities.

How does one calibrate a dog in the way one can "tune" a tool used to detect a particular metal?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1405 on: September 29, 2015, 01:23:32 PM »
How does one calibrate a dog in the way one can "tune" a tool used to detect a particular metal?

Why not conduct some research as regards that yourself ?

Offline Brietta

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1406 on: September 29, 2015, 01:32:41 PM »
Why not conduct some research as regards that yourself ?

Is your reply because you think it isn't possible to "set" a dog to obtain consistently accurate results such as those obtainable from a calibrated machine or equipment whatever the circumstances or whoever the operator
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1407 on: September 29, 2015, 01:46:08 PM »
Kates statement that the window was pen is evidence admissible in court
The alerts are not
Therefore Kate's statement should carry more weight

In that case her statement that the curtains were open is also evidence. A statement she later changed.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1408 on: September 29, 2015, 02:14:59 PM »
In that case her statement that the curtains were open is also evidence. A statement she later changed.

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1409 on: September 29, 2015, 02:25:02 PM »
Didn't seem to be a conspiracy theorist, assuming you actually looked at it. In fact it is more probable that the journalist who wrote the book attacking the police handling of he case was the conspiracy theorist. Very little facts seem to be available about the Quick case.
There are enough available on the net to enable one to draw the conclusion that he is a fantasist and a liar but not a serial killer.