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Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #255 on: June 25, 2014, 01:29:26 PM »
I want to check out "aztec towel" next.
Can anyone tell me which statement this "aztec" word is in?

ETA I searched and can't find "aztec" anywhere in the files in relation to a scent source for GNR dogs.
(The word "aztec" is found in the files re a blanket found north of Odiaxere, and also in tabloids' early remarkable "barn" story, both are nothing to do with GNR dog trails in PDL).

I think the turkish bath towel used by Fernandes was probably a white bath towel, and turkish refers to the fabric type.
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Offline valeria

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #256 on: June 25, 2014, 06:12:49 PM »
i think madeleine had a comfort blanket. This is not a large size blanket that someone uses  as a cover.
I presume a comfort blanket has the size of  a long wide bath towel. Perhaps the handlers failed to recognise the item.

Martina

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Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #257 on: June 25, 2014, 06:35:42 PM »
i think madeleine had a comfort blanket. This is not a large size blanket that someone uses  as a cover.
I presume a comfort blanket has the size of  a long wide bath towel. Perhaps the handlers failed to recognise the item.

Nope. It is clearly stated in the files, that the blanket (described as pink/orange) was given to the GNR patrol, with the dogs Numi and Kit, handled by the officers Lacao and Morais.

On 4th May he was called at about 01.15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02.30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann's apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the MCCann couple. The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.


The SAR dogs Rex and Zarus were given another item, a towel. I don't think any person of the normal IQ would confuse a towel with a blanket.

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #258 on: June 25, 2014, 06:57:03 PM »
There are several white bathtowels in the PJ photos early hours of 4th, and in the other batch of PJ photos later on 4th.

Maybe one of those white bathtowels was used by Fernandes/Rex/Zarus at about 11pm on the 4th?

Offline jassi

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #259 on: June 25, 2014, 06:59:05 PM »
There are several white bathtowels in the PJ photos early hours of 4th, and in the other batch of PJ photos later on 4th.

Maybe one of those white bathtowels was used by Fernandes/Rex/Zarus at about 11pm on the 4th?

OK, but would the McCanns have been able to determine which towel had been used solely by Madeleine, assuming that the towels weren't used communally by the children?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #260 on: June 25, 2014, 07:08:09 PM »
OK, but would the McCanns have been able to determine which towel had been used solely by Madeleine, assuming that the towels weren't used communally by the children?
Good questions.
Presumably the PJ/GNR must have been told which towel to use, by one or other of the parents?
And also that requires that one child used a different towel than the other two - it's possible.
As I said I am in the dark here trying to figure this out.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #261 on: June 25, 2014, 09:29:20 PM »
Good questions.
Presumably the PJ/GNR must have been told which towel to use, by one or other of the parents?
And also that requires that one child used a different towel than the other two - it's possible.
As I said I am in the dark here trying to figure this out.

From what I have seen with British tourists all of the children on holiday and I have seen many had their own towels , brought from home. They are usually with children's favorite characters.
No parent with a small child would go on a holiday without a children's towel.These towels are usually not kept in the bathroom and not mixed up with adult towels.
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #262 on: June 25, 2014, 09:33:42 PM »
Another question:
We assumed lots of theories in this case.
What if we assume the blanket had the scent of person who removed the blanket away from Madeleine and the towel had Madeleine's scent?

Martina

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Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #263 on: June 25, 2014, 09:35:18 PM »
Another question:
We assumed lots of theories in this case.
What if we assume the blanket had the scent of person who removed the blanket away from Madeleine and the towel had Madeleine's scent?

You mean one of the McCanns? That would explain why the dogs went to the Tapas.

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #264 on: June 25, 2014, 11:51:23 PM »
Just looking briefly at the bag theory, would that leave a trail which the the GNR dogs would detect?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2014, 10:36:53 AM »

Fascinating.  I haven't paid too much attention to this Thread because I have always thought that it was Madeleine's pink comfort blanket that was given to the sniffer dogs.  It was certainly photographed on her bed after she went missing.  And then mysteriously disappeared.  Probably to the local Police Station.

Towels, incidentally, get wet, and were probably used by more than one person.  The Pink Blanket will have been dry, and was on the bed next to Madeleine.  An obvious choice, I would have thought.

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #266 on: June 26, 2014, 01:20:05 PM »
This from Kate's book page 93...

According to the files, the tracker dogs did not go out until 11pm on 4 May. At some point in the first twenty-four hours (I could not say when exactly, but probably that morning) I recall one of the GNR patrol officers asking us for some of Madeleine’s clothing or belongings to enable these dogs to identify her scent. I fetched the pink princess blanket she took to bed with her every night, which they took, and some of her clothes, which they didn’t.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #267 on: June 26, 2014, 01:26:48 PM »
This from Kate's book page 93...

According to the files, the tracker dogs did not go out until 11pm on 4 May. At some point in the first twenty-four hours (I could not say when exactly, but probably that morning) I recall one of the GNR patrol officers asking us for some of Madeleine’s clothing or belongings to enable these dogs to identify her scent. I fetched the pink princess blanket she took to bed with her every night, which they took, and some of her clothes, which they didn’t.

This is how I have always understood it to be.  The Pink Blanket that suddenly disappeared to much excitement.  It must have been buried with Madeleine.
This won't have happened on the first disposal because it was still there late that night.  So Kate kept it, covered in dog saliva, and then buried it with Madeleine later, did she?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #268 on: June 26, 2014, 01:41:39 PM »
This is how I have always understood it to be.  The Pink Blanket that suddenly disappeared to much excitement.  It must have been buried with Madeleine.
This won't have happened on the first disposal because it was still there late that night.  So Kate kept it, covered in dog saliva, and then buried it with Madeleine later, did she?

Next time you visit ask if you can see Madeleine's pink blanket? I bet you will be disappointed.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine's last movements tracked by the GNR sniffer dogs.
« Reply #269 on: June 26, 2014, 01:45:34 PM »
Next time you visit ask if you can see Madeleine's pink blanket? I bet you will be disappointed.

The Portimao Police Station Cat is still sleeping on it.  If they haven't ditched it already.

But I will ask.