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Offline Carana

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #255 on: June 15, 2014, 10:18:20 AM »
By ensuring the investigation was closed, despite by being warned their non co-operation would harm the hunt for their child, the left their daughter to her fate for 7 years.

That is abandoning your child, after all this was the official investigation by the official police force of the country she disappeared in.

To attempt to argue "well they've been campaigning for the last 7 years to get it reopened" is more than a tad rich and hypocritical because had they co-operated IT WOULD NOT have been closed in the first place and would not have needed 7 years to reopen it.

7 years which could have meant an alive and well Madeleine could have been brought home at any point over those last 7 years.

The investigstion now has nothing whatsoever to do with their decision to not co-operate wit the PJ and to allow the child to be left to fend for herself for the last 7 years.

Could you please provide supporting evidence as to how it could have kept the investigation open (preferably from the Penal Procedure Code or other credible source)? You keep saying this, but don't back it up.





Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #256 on: June 15, 2014, 10:31:22 AM »
Could you please provide supporting evidence as to how it could have kept the investigation open (preferably from the Penal Procedure Code or other credible source)? You keep saying this, but don't back it up.

The archiving summary states categorically that the investigation was disturbed as a result of their decision.

This was the main/only diligence that Rebelo wanted to perform.  When it wasn't agreed to the investigation was shelved.

Do you think Rebelo would have asked for it if he was going to shelve the investigation?


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Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #257 on: June 15, 2014, 11:20:25 AM »
What sort of justice system depends its suspects to fully co-operate or case shelved?

Offline Carana

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #258 on: June 15, 2014, 12:47:18 PM »
The archiving summary states categorically that the investigation was disturbed as a result of their decision.

This was the main/only diligence that Rebelo wanted to perform.  When it wasn't agreed to the investigation was shelved.

Do you think Rebelo would have asked for it if he was going to shelve the investigation?

Rebelo's task seems to have been to verify the "findings" of the previous team in order to bring the case to the public prosecutor for consideration.


That doesn't answer my question to Albertini concerning his/her assumption that the case would have moved on to consider further avenues of investigation.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2014, 12:49:51 PM »
The archiving summary states categorically that the investigation was disturbed as a result of their decision.

This was the main/only diligence that Rebelo wanted to perform.  When it wasn't agreed to the investigation was shelved.

Do you think Rebelo would have asked for it if he was going to shelve the investigation?

if this was the only diligence rebelo wanted to perform then he had nothing else to continue the investigation with apart from the parents..those questions would not have helped take the investigation forward..he had nothing and that was why the investigation was shelved.

Are you totally blind...SY have had to take over because the PJ were incompetent...how are SY continuing to investigate when the pj stopped...the pj have made Portugal a laughing stock

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #260 on: June 15, 2014, 12:59:52 PM »
if this was the only diligence rebelo wanted to perform then he had nothing else to continue the investigation with apart from the parents..those questions would not have helped take the investigation forward..he had nothing and that was why the investigation was shelved.

Are you totally blind...SY have had to take over because the PJ were incompetent...how are SY continuing to investigate when the pj stopped...the pj have made Portugal a laughing stock

...and after 8 million, SY have found?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline jassi

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #261 on: June 15, 2014, 01:03:04 PM »
if this was the only diligence rebelo wanted to perform then he had nothing else to continue the investigation with apart from the parents..those questions would not have helped take the investigation forward..he had nothing and that was why the investigation was shelved.

Are you totally blind...SY have had to take over because the PJ were incompetent...how are SY continuing to investigate when the pj stopped...the pj have made Portugal a laughing stock

SY haven't taken over the investigation at all. They started a new one because they were instructed to by the Prime Minister - no other reason.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #262 on: June 15, 2014, 07:21:26 PM »
SY haven't taken over the investigation at all. They started a new one because they were instructed to by the Prime Minister - no other reason.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to review Madeleine McCann's case.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

There was sufficient evidence in 2013 - after reviewing the files for two years - to allow the recommendation to be forwarded that Madeleine's case should be reopened.
No new inquiry ... just a fresh unbiased look at cold case evidence which wasn't properly worked at the time ... and the reopening of her case ... proving the evidence was there for seven years.

So the apologists for that incompetence, cannot pin the failure of Madeleine's case on her mum's refusal to answer 48 self incriminating questions ... the blame for that can and should be laid directly at the feet of incompetent police work.



Yard has 'the best opportunity' to find Madeleine McCann

A 'cold case' review of the Madeleine McCann case has led Scotland Yard detectives to identify potential suspects involved in her disappearance from an Algarve resort

By Padraic Flanagan

11:37AM GMT 19 Mar 2014

Operation Grange, staffed by a team of Scotland Yard's finest detectives and paid for by the Home Office, offers the best opportunity to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

While the Yard cannot rectify the mistakes made in the initial inquiry, when the Portuguese police were accused of failing to seal off the area where Madeleine had been staying and gather all available forensic evidence, the inquiry team has had access to all the files.

This has enabled detectives to look at the case with an objective eye and form fresh theories about what may have happened to Madeleine. Their determination has prompted quiet optimism that a breakthrough may be possible.

The review has led detectives to uncover “new evidence and new witnesses” in the case. Among the most recent revelations was the Yard’s desire to interview three burglars who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing.

It has also emerged that the Met Police have identified more than 40 “persons of interest” after reviewing all the evidence, and have formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry, which has been running since 2011.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10707520/Yard-has-the-best-opportunity-to-find-Madeleine-McCann.html





"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #263 on: June 15, 2014, 07:25:05 PM »
Rebelo's task seems to have been to verify the "findings" of the previous team in order to bring the case to the public prosecutor for consideration.


That doesn't answer my question to Albertini concerning his/her assumption that the case would have moved on to consider further avenues of investigation.

Given the discrepancies it was surely the only sensible way to move the case forward. To try and iron out the inconsistencies and see where that took the investigation.

With regards to your question it does actually answer it. As ferryman pointed out had they performed the reconstitution then this would have been a real time forensic anaylsis of the timelines SY state they have performed to find a what they claim to the media was a window of opportunity.

The investigation could have ruled out the McCann's and been forced to look at abduction.

The McCann's, their friends and their lawyers put paid to that and in doing so prevented the Portuguese from moving the investigation forward.

Shame on them all.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 07:40:23 PM by Albertini »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #264 on: June 15, 2014, 07:27:02 PM »
Given the discrepancies it was surely the only sensible way to move the case forward. To try and iron out the inconsistencies and see where that took the investigation.

With regards to your question it does actually answer it. As ferryman pointed out had they performed the reconstitution then this would have been a real time forensic anaylsis of the timelines SY state they have performed to find a what they claim to the media was a window of opportunity.

The no estivation could have ruled out the McCann's and been forced to look at abduction.

The McCann's, their friends and their lawyers put paid to that and in doing so prevented the Portuguese from moving the investigation forward.

Shame on them all.


Your post is simply your very biased opinion and has no value..imo

Offline jassi

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #265 on: June 15, 2014, 07:28:49 PM »
Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to review Madeleine McCann's case.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

There was sufficient evidence in 2013 - after reviewing the files for two years - to allow the recommendation to be forwarded that Madeleine's case should be reopened.
No new inquiry ... just a fresh unbiased look at cold case evidence which wasn't properly worked at the time ... and the reopening of her case ... proving the evidence was there for seven years.

So the apologists for that incompetence, cannot pin the failure of Madeleine's case on her mum's refusal to answer 48 self incriminating questions ... the blame for that can and should be laid directly at the feet of incompetent police work.



Yard has 'the best opportunity' to find Madeleine McCann

A 'cold case' review of the Madeleine McCann case has led Scotland Yard detectives to identify potential suspects involved in her disappearance from an Algarve resort

By Padraic Flanagan

11:37AM GMT 19 Mar 2014

Operation Grange, staffed by a team of Scotland Yard's finest detectives and paid for by the Home Office, offers the best opportunity to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

While the Yard cannot rectify the mistakes made in the initial inquiry, when the Portuguese police were accused of failing to seal off the area where Madeleine had been staying and gather all available forensic evidence, the inquiry team has had access to all the files.

This has enabled detectives to look at the case with an objective eye and form fresh theories about what may have happened to Madeleine. Their determination has prompted quiet optimism that a breakthrough may be possible.

The review has led detectives to uncover “new evidence and new witnesses” in the case. Among the most recent revelations was the Yard’s desire to interview three burglars who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing.

It has also emerged that the Met Police have identified more than 40 “persons of interest” after reviewing all the evidence, and have formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry, which has been running since 2011.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10707520/Yard-has-the-best-opportunity-to-find-Madeleine-McCann.html

You seem to forget that the PJ team in Oporto, who are involved in the reopened Portuguese investigation are following completely different lines to SY with their separate investigation.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #266 on: June 15, 2014, 07:29:11 PM »
Given the discrepancies it was surely the only sensible way to move the case forward. To try and iron out the inconsistencies and see where that took the investigation.

With regards to your question it does actually answer it. As ferryman pointed out had they performed the reconstitution then this would have been a real time forensic anaylsis of the timelines SY state they have performed to find a what they claim to the media was a window of opportunity.

The no estivation could have ruled out the McCann's and been forced to look at abduction.

The McCann's, their friends and their lawyers put paid to that and in doing so prevented the Portuguese from moving the investigation forward.

Shame on them all.

so you admit that the pj were not looking at abduction...thank you

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #267 on: June 15, 2014, 07:30:43 PM »
if this was the only diligence rebelo wanted to perform then he had nothing else to continue the investigation with apart from the parents..those questions would not have helped take the investigation forward..he had nothing and that was why the investigation was shelved.

Nope. As has been pointed out this exercise would have been the equivalent of SY's forensic analysis of the timelines SY say they performed 7 years later. As such it would I have either provided a new timeline and window of opportunity to concentrate on or it would have provided an opportunity to take matters further regarding the McCann's.

Are you totally blind...SY have had to take over because the PJ were incompetent...how are SY continuing to investigate when the pj stopped...the pj have made Portugal a laughing stock

Are you still spouting your drivel and chucking the insults out like smarties?

One would have presumed you would have learnt your lesson after having two posts removed last night by the mods.

Can you provide evidence where the PJ have formally appointed SY to take over their investigation? You will also note that the PJ are also investigating the case again.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #268 on: June 15, 2014, 07:31:12 PM »
You seem to forget that the PJ team in Oporto, who are involved in the reopened Portuguese investigation are following completely different lines to SY with their separate investigation.

yes they were looking at tractorman....what a brilliant lot of detectives. In my view the pj reopened because they knew that if they didn't they would be forced by the uk...it was  a face saving exercise

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #269 on: June 15, 2014, 07:31:38 PM »
so you admit that the pj were not looking at abduction...thank you

At the time of Rebelo's reconstruction parental involvement was one of the lines of enquiries, yes.

Thank you.