So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Angelo222]

A relevant analogy too, Carana.

If only we could see through the eyes of others and their perception of the situation as they see it.

The McCanns rarely displayed their inner feelings in public, so how could anyone except themselves, know what they were thinking when informed of their Arquido Status and the period following.

Its in their book Anna or do you think they lied again??

[Anna]

Its in their book Anna or do you think they lied again??

To be honest, Angelo, I haven't read the book or Amarals because I prefer not be influenced by anything other than the files.
I have read snippets on here and checked some information for research, but not totally read.
           
 Does it tell us in the book, what if any of their inner feelings were shown outwardly? Or was it only referring to their feelings?

[Albertini]

I have located the passage in the book that Albertini is using to make his or her point regarding the McCanns fear of being arguidos and it is nothing of the sort.  Here is the passage:

"the prospect of being separated from Sean and Amelie, holed up in jail unable to prepare our defence properly was terrifying.  Gerry was seriously considering sneaking us into a car and driving us all across the boarder to Spain.  It would have been crazy" - note no mention of a "midnight flit" for starters, and secondly and much more importantly it is very clear that it is a fear of being charged and thrown into prison that Kate is describing, not a fear of being made arguidos.  Albertini, you have been misleading us, shame on you!  And also, not the immediate caveat from Kate that doing such a thing would have been a crazy thing to do.  Sorry.  No leg left to stand on Albertini.  Off out for lunch now.

The passage relates to Friday the 7th September 2007 AFTER they were made Arguidos.

You specialise in obfuscation I've noticed. However it really won't wash.

The questions in court related to how they felt after they were made arguidos.

After they were made Arguidos, according to kate's book,  they believed they could go to prison and were worried about not seeing their remaining children. Gerry then was thinking about "sneeking" the family over the border.

So that is how they felt after they were made Arguidos, which is what the witnesses in court were asked and which not one of them said anything remotely matching this, did they?

[jassi]

If it has not been proven true then it is surely libellous, is it not?

Only if a court so decides.

[Mr Gray]

The passage relates to Friday the 7th September 2007 AFTER they were made Arguidos.

You specialise in obfuscation I've noticed. However it really won't wash.

The questions in court related to how they felt after they were made arguidos.

After they were made Arguidos, according to kate's book,  they believed they could go to prison and were worried about not seeing their remaining children. Gerry then was thinking about "sneeking" the family over the border.

So that is how they felt after they were made Arguidos, which is what the witnesses in court were asked and which not one of them said anything remotely matching this, did they?

Not much point in you trying to convince us that the mccanns don't have a case when its blatantly obvious they do..........you are just going to make your humble pie even more difficult to eat

[Montclair]

No they are not.  The Met have made that very clear.  Are you calling Andy Redwood a liar?

Police lie all the time to the press and the public. Do you honestly believe that they would say, we suspect so and so while they are still gathering evidence? They are not obliged to give a full running commentary of their investigation to the public.

When Peaches Geldof died, the police said to the press that no drug paraphernalia was found in the house. During the inquest, it came out that the police did find drugs and needles when they arrived. Therefore, they lied to the public and the press.

[Mr Gray]

I note nobody can answer the questions, did the book damage the search for Maddie and did the McCanns suffer unreasonable stress and damage to their reputations because of it?

the answer to all is an obvious yes

[Mr Gray]

Police lie all the time to the press and the public. Do you honestly believe that they would say, we suspect so and so while they are still gathering evidence? They are not obliged to give a full running commentary of their investigation to the public.

When Peaches Geldof died, the police said to the press that no drug paraphernalia was found in the house. During the inquest, it came out that the police did find drugs and needles when they arrived. Therefore, they lied to the public and the press.

SY are not spending millions investigating in Portugal because they suspect the parents...how ridiculous

[Mr Gray]

Police lie all the time to the press and the public. Do you honestly believe that they would say, we suspect so and so while they are still gathering evidence? They are not obliged to give a full running commentary of their investigation to the public.

When Peaches Geldof died, the police said to the press that no drug paraphernalia was found in the house. During the inquest, it came out that the police did find drugs and needles when they arrived. Therefore, they lied to the public and the press.

having accused the police of lying...what evidence do you have to support this in the Geldof case

[Montclair]

having accused the police of lying...what evidence do you have to support this in the Geldof case

Read my comment, you might understand!

[Montclair]

SY are not spending millions investigating in Portugal because they suspect the parents...how ridiculous

If my comments are so pathetic, no need to read or answer them.

BTW, how do you know if they aren't investigating in other countries or in the UK?

[Angelo222]

having accused the police of lying...what evidence do you have to support this in the Geldof case

Take the rose tinted spectacles off Davey.  The police lie through their teeth when it suits them.

[Angelo222]

To be honest, Angelo, I haven't read the book or Amarals because I prefer not be influenced by anything other than the files.
I have read snippets on here and checked some information for research, but not totally read.
           
 Does it tell us in the book, what if any of their inner feelings were shown outwardly? Or was it only referring to their feelings?

It has been a while since I read her book but there were moments very early on when the mask was not evident, the wailing in front of the GNR comes to mind.

[Alfred R Jones]

You have given evidence from the book about Kate not being afraid BEFORE they were made Arguidos.

The questions put in Court and the running for the hills from the book centred on how they felt AFTER they were made Arguidos.

Please note and understand the fundamental and important difference.

What would you describe "sneaking us into a car and driving over the border" as if not going on the run? One thing it is not, is the " they thought about leaving Portugal" in the casual manner you tried to suggest. 

All jolly lovely but not one thing whatsoever to do with the point at hand.

The point at hand is that their own libel trial witnesses stated that AFTER they were made Arguidos they were not bothered about it.

However Kate's comment was directly at odds with those statements in court rendering the witnesses either as not knowing the state of the couple's well being (and being useless in terms of evidentiary value) or they were not telling the truth to the court and attempting to donwplay the impact of being made Arguidos.

Let's have a quote from you then that explicitly states the McCanns were not bothered about being made arguidos AFTER the event then, if that is indeed the hair-splitting point at hand.  Nothing you have so far quoted explicitly states that as far as I can see. 

[Alfred R Jones]

The passage relates to Friday the 7th September 2007 AFTER they were made Arguidos.

You specialise in obfuscation I've noticed. However it really won't wash.

The questions in court related to how they felt after they were made arguidos.

After they were made Arguidos, according to kate's book,  they believed they could go to prison and were worried about not seeing their remaining children. Gerry then was thinking about "sneeking" the family over the border.

So that is how they felt after they were made Arguidos, which is what the witnesses in court were asked and which not one of them said anything remotely matching this, did they?

Totally missing the point.  It was not the status of arguido that filled them with fear, but the prospect of being separated from their kids and banged up in a foreign jail.  Please don't pretend you can't tell the difference FGS!