Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?

[stephen25000]

Do try to read the post more carefully. I state that there was a potential abductor. If you cannot accept that then your ability to understand reality is sorely compromised.

There is no proof as to what happened to Madeleine.

There is however a missing person inquiry being undertaken by experts from SY of which a major focus is abduction. If you think we should simply ignore that reality then you are totally deluded.

You stated this..........

'He is making excuses for a vile criminal.'


So who are you referring to then, the tooth fairy ?

[gilet]

You are missing the point gilet.  Stephen might repeat the same mantra daily to everyones annoyance but it is true, there is no evidence Madeleine was taken by anyone.  For all we know even now some 7 years down the line she could have opened the front door, wandered off and fallen down a hole.

There is no evidence she was abducted, no evidence she is dead and no evidence she is alive, not even hold up in an Edgar dungeon in Praia da Luz or hidden by some gypsies in a Moroccan fantasy.

ps I never mentioned Sadie.

No you are missing the point.

One thing we all know is that the McCanns made a mistake.

One thing that we all know is that the McCanns have admitted that mistake.

One thing we can all see is that does not solve the case.

Yet Stephen with his daily mantra cannot see that latter point. He is fixated only on that.

In my post I refer to a potential abductor. Not a proven abductor. Stephen cannot even accept that such a person is a possibility.




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[gilet]

I can see why the McCanns needed to search their apartment, but not why any of the others had any need to enter. It was not exactly a large apartment  and the McCanns would have been perfectly capable of searching it without assistance.

Seriously, do you think the parents of a missing child in their panic to find her, would spend time at the door turning away, the friends who were trying to help them?

I really do find such statements stretch the bounds of credulity beyond any sensible limits. They were looking for a child for God's sake, not playing a mystery adventure.

[gilet]

Yes John and I do repeat it fairly often, no quibble on that.

However, I do it in response to the repeated mantra of abduction, and as you rightly pointed out, there is no evidence Madeleine was taken by anyone.

Be careful John, you will now get 'shouted at'.

No sane person looking at a missing child case becomes as fixated as you are on one aspect especially when you only have knowledge of part of the evidence in the case.

That would appear to be the mistake that Amaral may have made.

[jassi]

Seriously, do you think the parents of a missing child in their panic to find her, would spend time at the door turning away, the friends who were trying to help them?

I really do find such statements stretch the bounds of credulity beyond any sensible limits. They were looking for a child for God's sake, not playing a mystery adventure.

Of course they were looking for a child and they knew she wasn't in the apartment because they had searched it, so there was no need for any of their friends and certainly not all of them to enter in order to confirm that.

[gilet]

Of course they were looking for a child and they knew she wasn't in the apartment because they had searched it, so there was no need for any of their friends and certainly not all of them to enter in order to confirm that.

How do you know the intention of all of them was to confirm that? Could it have been to offer sympathy? Not something most of those haranguing the McCanns seem to understand?

Have you ever been in a state of panic? Do you think that you would refuse help of any kind? Seriously?

[stephen25000]

''He is making excuses for a vile criminal.'


When have I made any excuses ?

Pray tell.

[gilet]

''He is making excuses for a vile criminal.'

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You are excusing any potential abductor by claiming that the McCanns are entirely responsible for what happened to Madeleine when NOBODY knows (including you) what actually happened. That is clearly excusing the behaviour of any vile criminal who may be involved in the case.

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[Alfred R Jones]

Of course they were looking for a child and they knew she wasn't in the apartment because they had searched it, so there was no need for any of their friends and certainly not all of them to enter in order to confirm that.

So in that situation yourself if your friends had attempted to follow you in to the apartment to help you, you would have barred their entry I take it?

[gilet]

'He is making excuses for a vile criminal.'

Who am I making excuses for ?

Please define.

Those are the words you used towards me, now back it up.

Why do you never read things in context? The full post refers to the potential abductor as you are aware and the comment about the vile criminal follows directly on from that.

Therefore you are excusing the actions of that vile potential abductor.

Just because you don't believe there was a potential abductor does not make such a crime an impossibility. The fact is that such potential abductors are being seriously investigated by real police.

In your need to maintain your mantra you are excusing the actions of not only a potential vile abductor as I claimed in the post above but also the failures of the Police in Portugal to conduct a thorough investigation.

[gilet]

So in that situation yourself if your friends had attempted to follow you in to the apartment to help you, you would have barred their entry I take it?

It is ridiculous for posters to claim that the McCanns would have refused help from the people they knew in PDL in their moment of panic; that they would have simply said to them, "Actually, mate, we've searched the apartment ourselves. Its a mystery where she is but there's no point you looking or you might make a mess."

When posters here try to suggest such a possibility they make themselves look rather silly.

[gilet]

Now we have got to the fact that you don't know whether an abductor was involved or not perhaps we could move to the claims you made earlier.

Can you show us the evidence for your claim that the McCanns trashed the apartment please?

And can you show where in any report (never mind a reliable report) there is any proof that "'posters' on the net, acting on behalf of the mccanns" (sic) were shown to exist during the trial in Portugal?

Or are you simply lying?

[John]

You don't have to be an ex copper to realise that if your child has disappeared and there are indications that she might have be taken out a window that you protect the scene and especially the bedroom and bedding where she was last seen.

[carlymichelle]

You don't have to be an ex copper to realise that if your child has disappeared and there are indications that she might have be taken out a window that you protect the scene and especially the bedroom and bedding where she was last seen.

what i dont understand is why did kate wash cuddlecat wouldnt it of had maddies DNA on it from maddie carrying it around etc  it would have been  easier then gerry  going back to the uk for  a pillow or whatever

[Mr Gray]

You don't have to be an ex copper to realise that if your child has disappeared and there are indications that she might have be taken out a window that you protect the scene and especially the bedroom and bedding where she was last seen.

You don't have to be an ex copper to understand that the mccanns were in a state of blind panic..

Furthermore john you don't have to be a copper to understand that the PJ should have done a thorough investigation on the bed clothes...which was never done