Jane mentions the pyjama's in her rogatory interview, I have tried to copy and paste but can't seem to get just that part, perhaps some one else could?
L E I C E S T E R S H I R E C O N S T A B U L A R Y
Form MG15(T)
RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No SVF/108A
Person Interviewed: Jane TANNER Number of Pages 46
Place of Interview: Force Headquarters Enderby Signature of Interviewing
Date of Interview: 08/04/08 Officer producing exhibit
Time Commenced: 1349 hours
Time Concluded: 1509 hours Duration of Interview: 80 minutes
Interviewing Officer(s) DC 4078 FERGUSON Tape Reference nos: SVF/108
Other Persons Present None
00.00.04 4078 “It is thirteen forty-eight on the afternoon of Tuesday the eighth of April two
thousand and eight. I am DC Sophie FERGUSON from Leicestershire Major Crime
Unit. And you are?”
in my head all the time and they are the two things that are still, are still, are still
there”.
4078 “And then think about the child again, as much as you can see of that child in that
split second, and tell me what you saw?”
Reply “Well, again, I mean, and this is, I think initially I couldn’t really bring, I could only
really remember the feet. But the day after, when we had, they, at the interview, the
person that was interviewing was really pushing me to try and, you know, remember
any more details, and the one thing that I could really think was, erm, a turn-up of
some description. And I don’t know whether this made it into my statement, but
there was, and this is the thing that convinces me it was her, there was, erm, sort of
the pyjamas were, there was some sort of, I thought it was a turn-up, but some sort of
design on the bottom of the pyjamas. And I did say it in my first statement and in my
second statement I can remember saying it again and, erm, the translator in there,
because I said ‘I don’t know whether this made it into my first statement or not’, but
the translator sort of went ‘Oh yes, I can remember you going like this’, because I
was moving my hands up, but I was sort of talking about something at the bottom of
the pyjamas. Because, from my own point of view, and I think, you know, ‘Oh was I
trying to’, I can think that I would think ‘Oh maybe a little girl would be wearing
pink pyjamas’, so, you know, if you were subconsciously putting things in your head,
I can think pink pyjamas, yes, but I wouldn’t think of some detail around the bottom
of the pyjamas as a specific thing to, to mention”.
00.36.39 4078 “And when you noticed the detail was it in any colour?”
Reply “I don’t, I didn’t know, I thought there was sort of a pink flowery bit on, bit on it, but,
no, I mean, the actual frill itself or turn-up, as I thought it was, I couldn’t think of the
colour, but I thought there was pink sort of flowery and sort of like liney bits on the
bottom, so”.
4078 “And, overall, what colour would you say the pyjama bottoms were?”
Reply “Erm, I can’t, I can’t remember, I mean, I, I can’t remember, well I can’t remember
now, but I think they were sort of whitey but with this, with this pattern on, but then
some pink. That’s, that’s what I thought at the time. It’s harder because now I know
what the pyjamas were so I can’t”.
4078 “It is very difficult”.
Reply “I think that is hard for me to actually”.
4078 “Yeah”.
Reply “To think now because I can, I can see them now”.
4078 “Because you know what actually they would have been if it had have been
Madeleine?”
Reply “Yeah, exactly, yeah, so I can’t really go back to thinking what they were”.
4078 “It is very difficult. What about the child’s feet then, what can you say about feet, if
anything, other than that they were uncovered?”
Reply “Just that they were uncovered and it looked like they were, you know, they seemed
to be asleep. I mean, they was definitely, you know, they were, as you would
imagine if the child was asleep. But, you know, that’s all, that’s all I can, like I say,
it was more just the, the fact they were, you know, you could see them”.
00.38.02 4078 “And the way you have held your hands like that, were the feet side-by-side likethat?”
Reply “Yeah”.
4078 “So the child would have been held on its back?”
Reply “Yeah”.
4078 “And you say that they were very relaxed as though they were asleep?”
Reply “Yeah, yeah, they were not, there was no, you know, there was no struggle or any,
yeah, they just looked like they were asleep. So, again, if you’d imagine somebody
had been just, you know, taken out of their bed or something you’d imagine they’d
be, but, no, they were very, you know, asleep”.
4078 “How long do you think it was that you had them in sight?”
Reply “Erm, phew, not that, I mean, I did, I think I did go like that after they’d gone, so it
probably wasn’t, phew, it’d be seconds, wouldn’t it, it’d be just like, phew, a few
seconds and then as I got to the top I think I went like that, which I think is when I
noticed more that they were walking quite quick. But, no, I mean, not, you know,
not, not that long at all”.
4078 “I know this seems like an obvious question, which I think I know the answer to,
because I’ve seen the artist’s impression, did you see the man’s face?”
Reply “No, no, not, no, I mean, just the hair, well not, not that I could remember to give
details, give details to”.
4078 “How far away from you were they at the closest point?”
Reply “Phew, as, I mean, it’s hard to, sort of thing, but I think I was sort of halfway, it’s
probably sort of five metres, I mean, I’m trying to sort of think in terms of this room,
but sort of probably just further than that wall, probably sort of five to ten metres id’
say, if, I don’t know how far it is to there, but”.
4078 “I would say probably about, I am just guessing, but two and a half to three metres?”
