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Offline Eleanor

I wonder if anyone checked on the details of the incident at Odiaxere.  Could this have been a red herring to occupy The GNR?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2014, 11:39:20 AM »
I wonder if anyone checked on the details of the incident at Odiaxere.  Could this have been a red herring to occupy The GNR?

A respected poster in another place sourced an article in a Portuguese paper giving details of a big celebration for an anniversary involving the GNR; this involved displays of all kinds including dogs and took place on the 3rd.

A call out to Odiaxere in conjunction with this event having taken place on that day is interesting to say the least.

I have tried to locate a cite for this celebration; can anyone help?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2014, 11:54:23 AM »
A respected poster in another place sourced an article in a Portuguese paper giving details of a big celebration for an anniversary involving the GNR; this involved displays of all kinds including dogs and took place on the 3rd.

A call out to Odiaxere in conjunction with this event having taken place on that day is interesting to say the least.

I have tried to locate a cite for this celebration; can anyone help?

You don't mean that The GNR were at a Party, do you?  All of them?  Since none of them seem to have been at their Police Station.

But nothing largely suspicious about that, if that is the case.

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2014, 01:41:40 PM »
A respected poster in another place sourced an article in a Portuguese paper giving details of a big celebration for an anniversary involving the GNR; this involved displays of all kinds including dogs and took place on the 3rd.

A call out to Odiaxere in conjunction with this event having taken place on that day is interesting to say the least.

I have tried to locate a cite for this celebration; can anyone help?

Any help?............................

This is in the DN search. It Is the headline only and wont allow the opening of the page dated 4 may 2007 The other article below the first opened OK It was the GNR 96th anniversary.……………………………...

Yesterday, Daisy, a bitch to breed goldenretrivier, for ten years, he received a gold medal: Philanthropist by the president of the Society of Protective Animals, Thomas de Barros de Queiroz, as part of the celebrations of the 96 th anniversary of GNR, in a ceremony that was attended, among others, with the presence of the prime minister, Jose Socrates, and Antonio Costa, Minister of State for Internal Administration.

http://www.dn.pt/pesquisa/default.aspx?Pesquisa=gnr&dateini=01-09-2006&datefim=30-09-2007&numPag=22&sort=date


 
The former owners, resident in Lisbon, was handed in to the company of the cinotecnia Guard School, with its headquarters in Queluz, by being a bitch that "ladrava too". Yesterday, Daisy, a bitch to breed goldenretrivier, for ten years, he received a gold medal: Philanthropist by the president of the Company Protecting the Animals, Take Barros de Queiroz, as part of the celebrations of the 96 th anniversary of GNR, in a ceremony that was attended, among others, with the presence of the prime minister, Jose Socrates, and Antonio Costa, Minister of State for Internal Administration. Beside her, Buggy, a dog of breed cockerspaniel, received a medal of animal protection organizations, degree gold.
"This year we wanted to decorate an attendant but, yes, customize our thanks in the figure of the dog, because without it our work would not be possible. Is our public recognition", explained the DN the captain Costa Pinto, commander of Company Cinotecnica of GNR.
Margaret, which began its activity in cinotecnica da GNR in July 1998, in the area of drug detection, " was one of the best animals we have had here. She saved the lives of 15 people and found nine other already without life. IS a bitch with a great capacity for concentration and that never tired of search process", he added. AND Buggy, with identical personality redeemed with life four people and found eight dead.
Both have been involved in missions of search and rescue that took place in Portugal, Iran, Algeria, Morocco and Italy. However, currently, "no longer meet the physical conditions necessary" and, therefore, have been removed from the active. Margaret has cataracts in one eye. Away missions, are now in the custody of their handlers. |


http://www.dn.pt/Inicio/interior.aspx?content_id=656931
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 01:58:14 PM »
Any help?............................

This is in the DN search. It Is the headline only and wont allow the opening of the page dated 4 may 2007 The other article below the first opened OK It was the GNR 96th anniversary.……………………………...

Yesterday, Daisy, a bitch to breed goldenretrivier, for ten years, he received a gold medal: Philanthropist by the president of the Society of Protective Animals, Thomas de Barros de Queiroz, as part of the celebrations of the 96 th anniversary of GNR, in a ceremony that was attended, among others, with the presence of the prime minister, Jose Socrates, and Antonio Costa, Minister of State for Internal Administration.

http://www.dn.pt/pesquisa/default.aspx?Pesquisa=gnr&dateini=01-09-2006&datefim=30-09-2007&numPag=22&sort=date


 
The former owners, resident in Lisbon, was handed in to the company of the cinotecnia Guard School, with its headquarters in Queluz, by being a bitch that "ladrava too". Yesterday, Daisy, a bitch to breed goldenretrivier, for ten years, he received a gold medal: Philanthropist by the president of the Company Protecting the Animals, Take Barros de Queiroz, as part of the celebrations of the 96 th anniversary of GNR, in a ceremony that was attended, among others, with the presence of the prime minister, Jose Socrates, and Antonio Costa, Minister of State for Internal Administration. Beside her, Buggy, a dog of breed cockerspaniel, received a medal of animal protection organizations, degree gold.
"This year we wanted to decorate an attendant but, yes, customize our thanks in the figure of the dog, because without it our work would not be possible. Is our public recognition", explained the DN the captain Costa Pinto, commander of Company Cinotecnica of GNR.
Margaret, which began its activity in cinotecnica da GNR in July 1998, in the area of drug detection, " was one of the best animals we have had here. She saved the lives of 15 people and found nine other already without life. IS a bitch with a great capacity for concentration and that never tired of search process", he added. AND Buggy, with identical personality redeemed with life four people and found eight dead.
Both have been involved in missions of search and rescue that took place in Portugal, Iran, Algeria, Morocco and Italy. However, currently, "no longer meet the physical conditions necessary" and, therefore, have been removed from the active. Margaret has cataracts in one eye. Away missions, are now in the custody of their handlers. |


http://www.dn.pt/Inicio/interior.aspx?content_id=656931

Good find, Anna.  Was this celebration in Lisbon?  It's difficult to tell.

But this article will no doubt come in handy in future.

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2014, 02:48:47 PM »
Good find, Anna.  Was this celebration in Lisbon?  It's difficult to tell.

But this article will no doubt come in handy in future.

I believe I read the celebration was lisboa somewhere, but cant find it right now.
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A lot happening on the day Maddie disappeared and not pleasing to some, I would think.............................................................

4th may 2007
On the same day that the GNR celebrated the 96 th anniversary, the Council of Ministers adopted two legislative proposals aimed at changing the whole organization of the Guard and the PSP and put into practice the announced restructuring of the security forces.

The proposals approved yesterday, that the CM had access, not only transform the structure of GNR and PSP as they give more power to the Government to intervene in the organization of the security forces.
The proposal for the organic law of the GNR puts it under direct dependence of the captain-general of GNR the inspection body, the bodies of the council and the general secretariat. But, within the Command, enables the Government to define "the number, skills, services and the leadership, the newly created components upper control and direction - responsible for operations, human resources and property and by the command of the doctrine and training.
Also the proposal of organic law of PSP gives the Government power to "adopt, by ordinance, the number, the powers, the internal structure and the posts" of three organic units operating in the National Directorate of PSP - in the area of operations and safety, human resources and the logistics and finance.
The reform "requires a change in the structure and working methods", underlined the minister of Internal Administration, Antonio Costa, the ceri- mónia anniversary of GNR.
In fact, the GNR is the institution that suffers most, at the level of the structure, with the amendments adopted. As regards the Comando-Geral , are extinguished the Military Staff or General coordinator and the Special Military or technical, as well as the Cabinet of Advisors and inspectors and the Commission of Equestrian Affairs.
The Territorial Brigades disappear, giving place in the hierarchy to now called Territorial Commands (CT), under orders from a colonel or lieutenant-colonel and not a general as until now. The CT shall be replaced to match the administrative districts and shall be composed of the secondments (controlled by major or captain) - that are articulated in subdestacamentos or jobs (under the command of sergeants or junior officers).
With the extinction of Traffic Brigade, the Fiscal Brigade and the regiments of Infantry and Cavalry, the Special Units become four. Now created Security Unit and Honors of State will now be the presidential squadron and the subunits of trim. The special operations, cinotecnia, inactivation of explosives and the units of public order and of protection and relief will be centered on the Unit of Intervention. It was created the Control Unit and the Coastal Unit Fiscal Action.
The commander general of the Guard, general Mourato Nunes, said yesterday that it treats the "change with tranquility".
PSP WITH A SPECIAL UNIT
The main changes in PSP relate to special units. The Group of Special Operations, the Body and the Body of Personal Safety are included one unit - also composed by the Center of Inactivation of Explosives and Safety in Subsoil and the Operational Group Cinotecnico.
According to the draft law, the territorial units (which are called territorial commands) maintains the model of regional commands, metropolitan and district. However, for the Azores is created a single command regional - that absorbs the three already existing. Reporting directly to the national director of the PSP are the Superior Council of Police, the Board of ethics and Discipline and the Upper Seal of Health, Inspection and the Department of General Support and Services.
The management of organic units, operations and safety (reinforced with the criminal investigation and the private security), human resources and logistics and finance will be approved by the Government.
DOGS-POLICE WHO RECEIVED
'Daisy' and 'Buggy' were the first dogs of GNR to be soldiers in a military ceremony. In front of the Jeronimos Monastery, in Bethlehem, where it took the commemorations, 'Daisy' and 'Buggy' received a medal by in-service behavior. Now reformed, the golden retrivier leaves a curriculum with 163 missions met, between which the earthquakes in Algeria, Iran and Morocco. The cocker buggy participated in searches of Between-the-Rivers.
Also passed by Iran, Algeria and Morocco and polled 160 rescue operations. At the ceremony were still decorated several military and remember the dead in services. Jose Socrates reminded them with a crown of flowers, while the parents of a soldier - hit mortally in Elvas - showed his nostalgia.
LEARN MORE
427 million euros is the investment that the Government provides, during the next five years, to create facilities and provide new equipment to the security forces.
18 Is the number of now called territorial commands that now exist in GNR. With the previous law, still in force, there were 23 regional groups.
MORE OPERATIONAL
With the restructuring, the MAI would release around 4800 professionals of PSP and GNR in bureaucratic functions, for service on the street.
NEW LAW
In the next month will be presented with the new Internal Security Act and the Statute m of Military of GNR.
REDISTRIBUTION
on 1 June the areas of GNR that pass for the PSP and vice versa (in Lisbon and Porto) begin to be delivered.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/governo-com-mais-poder
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 10:41:04 AM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2014, 02:56:16 PM »
Yes it was Lisbon...

Sorry wrong link

correct link..............

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?111179-Today-s-Pix-Thursday-May-3th-2007

pictures...............................
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 03:58:32 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2014, 04:02:36 PM »

Of course, The GNR are Military and part of The Army, as in France.  And not actually Detectives.  Although I don't suppose that this has anything much at all to do with anything.
They just aren't the best people to preserve a Crime Scene.

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 04:10:16 PM »
Of course, The GNR are Military and part of The Army, as in France.  And not actually Detectives.  Although I don't suppose that this has anything much at all to do with anything.
They just aren't the best people to preserve a Crime Scene.

No. it does not have much to do with anything. except there would be a shortage of GNR (their regular bobby) on the streets that day.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Online misty

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 04:22:46 PM »
Yes it was Lisbon...

Sorry wrong link

correct link..............

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?111179-Today-s-Pix-Thursday-May-3th-2007

pictures...............................

I read the article in the Algarve Resident edition printed around 11/5/2007. Unfortunately links to historic copies of the newspaper seem to have been removed earlier this year, but if anyone can access the history they will find it.
I also noticed in the same edition that there was an Erotica fair in town during the same week, but was unable to find any further information about that on the internet at the time of looking (thinking of the paedophile angle)
Curiously, there was also a report of a play "Lock Up Your Daughters" being shown in Luz around the last week in April 2007 - eerie considering the title of the Telegraph article found in RM's possession, although I understand he was in the UK at the time of the production.
The PJ spoke to the training school at Queluz (Lisbon) re. the search & rescue dogs, and I am guessing the reason those particular dogs were not deployed until 24 hours later may be explained by the celebrations.
For photos of the dogs' involvement in public events, it's worth a look at the Facebook page Grupo de Intervenção Cinotécnico da GNR (GIC) - K9

Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 05:08:01 PM »
No. it does not have much to do with anything. except there would be a shortage of GNR (their regular bobby) on the streets that day.

They can't be regular Bobbies  on the street if they are Military.  They simply don't have the training.  But never mind.  They did their best.  I hope.

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 05:59:52 PM »
Yes it was Lisbon...

Sorry wrong link

correct link..............

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?111179-Today-s-Pix-Thursday-May-3th-2007

pictures...............................

Great research, Anna, I've never known you to fail.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2014, 07:55:40 AM »
Darn the 'abductors' knew all about these 'events' going on.

 %£&)**# &%&£(+ %£&)**# &%&£(+ %£&)**# &%&£(+

Rearrange the words.....................

STRAWS,AT and CLUTCHING.


Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2014, 03:20:40 PM »
Yet another similarity to the Joana case......There was a celebration in that area also, on the day of her disappearance
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2014, 08:05:44 PM »
There is something about a GNR callout to Odiaxere somewhere, I remember reading about it and that it was a false alarm(?) although I may be mistaken in that memory.
At the moment the only reference I have found so far to anything which had police involvement is as follows ...

 - Clip -

Joao Franciso Pascoa Luis Trigo Barreiras

Occupation: PJ Deputy Specialist

Place of work: Criminal Investigation Department Portimao

He is a specialist in the area of Criminology for the PJ and works in the Criminal Investigation department in Portimao.

His professional responsibilities are to carry out examinations at crime scenes, such as detecting finger prints, biological examinations as well as the identification, signalling and collection of other traces. He is also responsible for making photographic reports and sketches. On the date of the events - 3rd May 2007 he was on duty at the Portimao DIC.

At about 00.10 on the morning of the 4th, he had just finished filing a report about a fire, when he was informed that a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm
« Last Edit: August 29, 2014, 05:40:48 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....