Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.

[anglolawyer]

The points you raise are very valid.

There only ever was one call to the police and that call was made by Jeremy Bamber.

I see I used a censored word in the OP.   Maybe I mis-spelled it or something as it seemed entirely innofensive when I typed it.   I won't repeat it but it was a four letter abbreviated plural meaning 'old hands' or 'cognoscenti'.  It's a homophone of 'prose'

[Angelo222]

I see I used a censored word in the OP.   Maybe I mis-spelled it or something as it seemed entirely innofensive when I typed it.   I won't repeat it but it was a four letter abbreviated plural meaning 'old hands' or 'cognoscenti'.  It's a homophone of 'prose'

The word you used was pro's but without the apostrophe, I have inserted the word believers as an alternative, feel free to edit it if you want.

[anglolawyer]

The word you used was pro's but without the apostrophe, I have inserted the word believers as an alternative, feel free to edit it if you want.

Thanks.   I replaced the forbidden word with 'experts'.

[Angelo222]

Thanks.   I replaced the forbidden word with 'experts'.

An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.  (Steven Weinberg)

Personally I would use the word 'fool' for anyone who believes that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

[anglolawyer]

An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.  (Steven Weinberg)

Personally I would use the word 'fool' for anyone who believes that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

So would I, if their reasons were foolish.

[APRIL]

I had a eureka moment and wondered whether this simple and obvious point had cropped up before.   One of JB's get out of jail free cards is Nevill's call to PC West, as noted indirectly by Bonnet.   There are two problems with it:

1.  coincidence

What are the odds they would both end up speaking to the same guy?   This implies that Nevill, like Bamber, chose not to call 999 but rather look up and dial the number for Chelmsford.

2.  PC West's behaviour

During Bamber's call PC West gave no indication that he was already aware of the situation or that action had been taken.   Therefore, he wasn't and it hadn't.

3.  Timing (no one expects the Spanish Inquisition)

If Nevill called the cops he did so within minutes of calling JB.   That would mean shortly after 3.00 a.m.  Why would West do nothing to set the wheels in motion for nearly half an hour?   

There's nothing new under the sun so I guess this ground is well trodden.   Still, I am a great believer in the scope for digging up new points in these cases so I would be interested in the thoughts of the experts on the above.

Just another thought. How likely is it that Neville would take the trouble to thumb his way through a telephone directory to look for a local number with the threat hanging over him of Sheila shoving a gun in his face. We have Jeremy's word for it that during the alleged call to him his father sounded "panicked."

[Angelo222]

To be serious for a moment, I might not have studied the facts in the Bamber case as much as some but as far as the telephone call to police is concerned I see no possible way in which this could be construed as two calls from two different people.

Had Nevill phoned the police the officer receiving the call would have said so.

[Holly Goodhead]

An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.  (Steven Weinberg)

Personally I would use the word 'fool' for anyone who believes that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

Its not an aspect of the case I've looked into in any depth.  My gut instinct tells me there was no call from NB to EP but I'm happy to spend a bit of time looking into it. 

Its perhaps a good idea to consider the documents that the CT seem to place a lot of emphasis on which they claim supports the call:

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

As far as I can see police officer number 1990 relates to PC West?  MB relates to civilian worker Malcolm Bonnet?

Document detailing JB's call to EP

http://twitpic.com/bz3ibk

Document that relates to the CLAIMED call from NB to EP or more likely explanation PC West simply relaying the call to MB
 
http://twitpic.com/6qkaq9

[Angelo222]

Present company excepted Hols   

[Angelo222]

Its not an aspect of the case I've looked into in any depth.  My gut instinct tells me there was no call from NB to EP but I'm happy to spend a bit of time looking into it. 

Its perhaps a good idea to consider the documents that the CT seem to place a lot of emphasis on which they claim supports the call:

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

As far as I can see police officer number 1990 relates to PC West?  MB relates to civilian worker Malcolm Bonnet?

Document detailing JB's call to EP

http://twitpic.com/bz3ibk

Document that relates to the CLAIMED call from NB to EP or more likely explanation PC West simply relaying the call to MB
 
http://twitpic.com/6qkaq9

If you believe this Hols then you cannot believe that Jeremy Bamber is innocent. 

In fact, you can arrive at a value judgement in this case by considering whether he lied about the alleged phone call from Nev.

The bottom line is that an innocent person would have no reason to lie about it so one doesn't have to be a genius to work it out...

[anglolawyer]

Just another thought. How likely is it that Neville would take the trouble to thumb his way through a telephone directory to look for a local number with the threat hanging over him of Sheila shoving a gun in his face. We have Jeremy's word for it that during the alleged call to him his father sounded "panicked."

I entirely agree.   His reported words were something like 'Shiela's gone crazy.   She has the gun'.'   What could that mean other than that there was a serious emergency?   Nevill had to hand alternative ways of dealing with the situation including arming himself, running outside and/or calling 999.   What did he expect Bamber to do?   It must also be borne in mind that he was calling in the middle of the night when Bamber was likely asleep in bed and would take a while to get to the phone.   Therefore, Nevill had plenty of time.   I can't imagine a state of affairs in which he would have that time but would use those words.   'Gone crazy' suggests something had already happened.   But what?   

Still, I am focusing on the supposed call to the police in this thread and offering a couple of reasons why it is not likely he made one.

[Holly Goodhead]

If you believe this Hols then you cannot believe that Jeremy Bamber is innocent. 

In fact, you can arrive at a value judgement in this case by considering whether he lied about the alleged phone call from Nev.

The bottom line is that an innocent person would have no reason to lie about it so one doesn't have to be a genius to work it out...

The bottom line Angelo is that I believe JB is the victim of a MoJ but for me to arrive at this decision it isn't necessary for me to believe that NB called EP and other spurious claims eg EP were in conversation with someone within the farmhouse; one male one female in the kitchen.  It is clear to most that these claims are based on ambiguities in paperwork and do not support JB's claim of MoJ.  At best it shows the paperwork and communication was sloppy.

Is JB lying or clutching at straws?  I make allowances for the fact that he does not have full access to the outside world.  He is entitled to full access to his case files and has a limited amount in his cell.  The remainder are held elsewhere in the prison and he has to request them.  I can bring up all the docs at the click of a button and have access to the internet 24/7 so its easy for me to cross reference docs and write certain things off. 

I'm not a member of the CT or part of JB's inner circle.  If I was I would advise him to forget the above as its
harmful to his campaign and there are far stronger aspects of the case to be pursued.

Perhaps the acid test should be is this capable of a referral to the CoA? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Myster I NEED you desperately...

I would like to bring up... the table in the following but don't know how to  &%+((£  Please help....

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police.

Is there a digit missing in JB's tel no?  In the 80's Goldhanger and Tolleshunt D'Arcy had four digit tel numbers to exchange calls locally?  What's the def of local?  Within the county the number would be prefixed by a further two digits and then further digits for elsewhere within the UK?  So it seems to me JB's tel number is incorrect in the table ie a digit is missing? 

[Angelo222]

The bottom line Angelo is that I believe JB is the victim of a MoJ but for me to arrive at this decision it isn't necessary for me to believe that NB called EP and other spurious claims eg EP were in conversation with someone within the farmhouse; one male one female in the kitchen.  It is clear to most that these claims are based on ambiguities in paperwork and do not support JB's claim of MoJ.  At best it shows the paperwork and communication was sloppy.

Is JB lying or clutching at straws?  I make allowances for the fact that he does not have full access to the outside world.  He is entitled to full access to his case files and has a limited amount in his cell.  The remainder are held elsewhere in the prison and he has to request them.  I can bring up all the docs at the click of a button and have access to the internet 24/7 so its easy for me to cross reference docs and write certain things off. 

I'm not a member of the CT or part of JB's inner circle.  If I was I would advise him to forget the above as its
harmful to his campaign and there are far stronger aspects of the case to be pursued.

Perhaps the acid test should be is this capable of a referral to the CoA?

You at least can see through the wood which is to your credit.