Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[Eleanor]

Clarity, & understanding.

But surely, that is not our business.  And understanding of what?

Did he plan it or was it an act of rage?  Knowing that might help, but so far I haven't seen any pointers either way.

[Alfred R Jones]

Indeed, though she was considered to be a missing person  for some considerable time. The idea that she had perhaps  been murdered only came later.

How much later?

ETA: Answering my own question - within a month of her disappearance http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/24/missing-chef-claudia-lawrence-inquiry

So why no dogs earlier then?  Odd.

[Eleanor]

Would it be possible to stick to Adrian Prout for the time being?

[John]

I can't see that John. Didn't Grime say scent could be picked up even after cleaning.

Don't forget Kate McCann supposedly cleaned and bleached everywhere, according to some. How many times was their apartment cleaned in the 3 months before the dogs went in? So called alerts were still found.

Yes but depends on the type of cleaning and if the surface being cleaned is porous.

Adrian had tried to strangle Kate on a previous occasion so he was predisposed to domestic violence.  They had been arguing foir a while over a potential divorce settlement but on the night of the murder out was Kate who pursued him out to the shooting lodge where the final confrontation took place.

Adrian used one of the mechanical excavators to bury Kate.  The depth of the grave, the fact she was buried in plastic sheeting and the pheasant waste all helped to mask the burial site from the dogs.

[Wonderfulspam]

What are you finding unclear about the above?

How, if his confession said he buried her wrapped in a curtain, did she come to be found inside a curtain & plastic sheeting?

Did exhume her later perhaps & then apply the plastic?

[Alfred R Jones]

How, if his confession said he buried her wrapped in a curtain, did she come to be found inside a curtain & plastic sheeting?

Did exhume her later perhaps & then apply the plastic?

Cite to the confession where he claimed only to have wrapped her in a curtain please.

[Eleanor]

How, if his confession said he buried her wrapped in a curtain, did she come to be found inside a curtain & plastic sheeting?

Did exhume her later perhaps & then apply the plastic?

To hide the smell, do you mean?  After Eddie alerted in the house?  Adrian Prout would be the one person who would know if that alert was false.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes but depends on the type of cleaning and if the surface being cleaned is porous.

Adrian had tried to strangle Kate on a previous occasion so he was predisposed to domestic violence.  They had been arguing foir a while over a potential divorce settlement but on the night of the murder out was Kate who pursued him out to the shooting lodge where the final confrontation took place.

Adrian used one of the mechanical excavators to bury Kate.  The depth of the grave, the fact she was buried in plastic sheeting and waste products produced by the pheasants all helped to mask the burial site from the dogs.

He used a shovel, John, allegedly.

But then, apparently, some plastic sheeting appeared from nowhere, so anything is possible!

[Alfred R Jones]

He used a shovel, John, allegedly.

But then, apparently, some plastic sheeting appeared from nowhere, so anything is possible!

You are determined to make a mystery out of nothing much aren't you?

[Wonderfulspam]

Cite to the confession where he claimed only to have wrapped her in a curtain please.

That's the point, we don't have the exact details of his confession.

But the press all seem to say the same thing....

'Adrian Prout, 49, wrapped his wife's body in a curtain and placed it in the back of his Land Rover and drove to a pub.

He then drove into woodland on his farm at Redmarley, Gloucestershire, and buried her body in a pheasant pen.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

No plastic!

[Alfred R Jones]

That's the point, we don't have the exact details of his confession.

But the press all seem to say the same thing....

'Adrian Prout, 49, wrapped his wife's body in a curtain and placed it in the back of his Land Rover and drove to a pub.

He then drove into woodland on his farm at Redmarley, Gloucestershire, and buried her body in a pheasant pen.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

No plastic!

The Star says plastic!

Prout claimed that his wife had stormed out after a row. In fact he had grabbed her by the throat and strangled her.

He had wrapped her body in a curtain and plastic sheeting and put it in his Range Rover.

But really, you're being somewhat obtuse as usual.  Of course he wrapped her in a curtain and plastic sheeting.  Just because it doesn't specify in most media reports that"he wrapped her in curtains and plastic sheeting" doesn't mean that he didn't.  Obviously he did, and only an idiot would try and make something out of it.

[Wonderfulspam]

You are determined to make a mystery out of nothing much aren't you?

It's shoddy court reporting by our MSM, or incorrect detail given by the fuzz at the inquest, sumink like that.

Or, maybe the phantom body wrapper.

Being a sceptic, I'm going with the phantom.

[Alfred R Jones]

It's shoddy court reporting by our MSM, or incorrect detail given by the fuzz at the inquest, sumink like that.

Or, maybe the phantom body wrapper.

Being a sceptic, I'm going with the phantom.

Only a complete pedant / idiot would consider the omission of "and plastic sheeting" to the media reports to be indicative of "shoddy" reporting.  We are not told what brand of whiskey he consumed after the wicked deed either, nor the name of the pub he visited, nor how many feet down the body was buried - how fkin' shoddy is that?!   *&*%£

Most people reading the news don't require every single detail of an event to be reported, most people, clearly not all.

[faithlilly]

Only a complete pedant / idiot would consider the omission of "and plastic sheeting" to the media reports to be indicative of "shoddy" reporting.  We are not told what brand of whiskey he consumed after the wicked deed either, nor the name of the pub he visited, nor how many feet down the body was buried - how fkin' shoddy is that?!   *&*%£

Most people reading the news don't require every single detail of an event to be reported, most people, clearly not all.

What WS has shown is that the reporting was patchy at best so we have no real way of knowing what exactly happened and in what order.

[Wonderfulspam]

What WS has shown is that the reporting was patchy at best so we have no real way of knowing what exactly happened and in what order.

TA DA!

And the Daily Star, of all papers, got the plastic right!

But not until february 2014.

Oh, wait, but the Land Rover became a Range Rover.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/365356/TRUE-CRIME-SPECIAL-Killer-couples-when-love-turns-violent