Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[Eleanor]

What WS has shown is that the reporting was patchy at best so we have no real way of knowing what exactly happened and in what order.

No, we don't.  But how would it help if we did?

He couldn't leave the body in The Lodge or The Bungalow Lounge as he had an event the next day.  So are we trying to find out if the body was left anywhere for long enough to produce cadaver scent?

[Eleanor]

TA DA!

And the Daily Star, of all papers, got it right, apart from the Land Rover became a Range Rover.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/365356/TRUE-CRIME-SPECIAL-Killer-couples-when-love-turns-violent

Bloomin Hell, The Star.  The most despised Tabloid on The Planet.

By the way, this is the best discussion I have had in weeks.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think it's a sensible assessment on my part Alice.  Sometimes common sense is required when considering what is and is not possible. Do you possess any? If you think it is possible that Prout did everything I have highlighted that we know he did that night within an hour then that is based on nothing more than YOUR opinion of what is feasible to achieve within an hour, is it not?  So - what makes you more likely to be right than me (apart from your far superior intellect of course)?

I don't understand your point that I have presumed  the man didn't know his own farm - did I say that?! No.   Of course he knew his farm, but had he already pre-determined where  on his farm would be a good spot to hide a body, in your view?  Or is there a possibility that (as the reports have already stated) he drove around his land deciding on a suitable spot AFTER killing his wife?

That coupled with a better than average knowledge of earth moving machinery and its capabilities and the ability to a bit of mental arithmetic as a sense check with regard to distances and timescales. If you can put together an activity list with timescales to prove it can't be done I will listen. Otherwise you are guessing.

[Anna]

& the inquest heard....

A millionaire farmer 'snapped' and strangled his wife during an argument before sitting down to a glass of whisky, an inquest heard today.

Adrian Prout, 49, then wrapped his wife Kate's body in a curtain and placed it in the back of his Land Rover and drove to a pub.

Mrs Prout's remains were found wrapped in a curtain and plastic sheeting, the inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner's Court heard.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139103/Millionaire-farmer-strangled-wife-driving-pub-glass-whisky-inquest-hears.html

That explains everything??!!

Does it say anywhere, where he got the shovel from, Spam? Could it be from the same place as the plastic? Maybe the curtain used was plastic?

[Jean-Pierre]

Yes but depends on the type of cleaning and if the surface being cleaned is porous.

Adrian had tried to strangle Kate on a previous occasion so he was predisposed to domestic violence.  They had been arguing foir a while over a potential divorce settlement but on the night of the murder out was Kate who pursued him out to the shooting lodge where the final confrontation took place.

Adrian used one of the mechanical excavators to bury Kate.  The depth of the grave, the fact she was buried in plastic sheeting and the pheasant waste all helped to mask the burial site from the dogs.

Given we have been assured that eddie can detect smells through several inches of concrete

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7263355.stm

I am surprised he is foxed by a bit of plastic.

What a let down.   

[Alfred R Jones]

That coupled with a better than average knowledge of earth moving machinery and its capabilities and the ability to a bit of mental arithmetic as a sense check with regard to distances and timescales. If you can put together an activity list with timescales to prove it can't be done I will listen. Otherwise you are guessing.

Remind me - what is it we're arguing about again?  Prout used a shovel btw.  Does this affect your numbers?

[Alfred R Jones]

What WS has shown is that the reporting was patchy at best so we have no real way of knowing what exactly happened and in what order.

What rubbish.  We have a very good idea of what happened and in what order, only those seeking to make a mystery out of the events are pretending they don't.

[Wonderfulspam]

What rubbish.  We have a very good idea of what happened and in what order, only those seeking to make a mystery out of the events are pretending they don't.

What happened in what order then?

Did he wrap her in both curtain & plastic before putting her in the boot, or did the application of plastic occur later?

[Alfred R Jones]

What happened in what order then?

Did he wrap her in both curtain & plastic before putting her in the boot, or did the application of plastic occur later?

What does it matter for the purposes of this discussion?  He did not take the body into the living room of his bungalow at any point.  We are told the body was wrapped in a curtain and put in the boot of the car so if he didn't wrap it in plastic at the  same time,  it will have happened after he'd removed it from the scene of the crime in the car and before he buried her.  Simples.

[Alfred R Jones]

From a local newspaper report about the inquest:


Detective inspector Steve Bean of Gloucestershire Police told the inquest that Prout confessed to wrapping the body in a carpet and plastic sheeting and putting it in his Range Rover.
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9687871.print/

[Wonderfulspam]

From a local newspaper report about the inquest:


Detective inspector Steve Bean of Gloucestershire Police told the inquest that Prout confessed to wrapping the body in a carpet and plastic sheeting and putting it in his Range Rover.
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9687871.print/

Carpet!

[faithlilly]

What strikes me as odd about all the reports of the cadaver dog alerting in the living room at the time  is that not once, as far as I can see, does it say that Eddie was the same dog as used in PDL. A little detail but rather odd.

[Alfred R Jones]

What strikes me as odd about all the reports of the cadaver dog alerting in the living room at the time  is that not once, as far as I can see, does it say that Eddie was the same dog as used in PDL. A little detail but rather odd.

yes it does, one of the reports said it was the same dog as used in the Madeleine McCann investigation, and referred to it as Eddie.

[faithlilly]

yes it does, one of the reports said it was the same dog as used in the Madeleine McCann investigation, and referred to it as Eddie.

Does it really. I watched a video about the case last night where the investigating officer said, and I'm paraphrasing, that when the dog alerted in the living room they knew they were looking for a dead body.

[Alfred R Jones]

Carpet!

Shoddy journalism innit!  Back to curtain here

"She had not struggled at any point but when she stopped moving he realised he had in fact killed her." Det Insp Bean said Prout then went inside his house and had a whisky before returning to the shooting lodge and wrapping her body in a curtain and white plastic sheet. Prout then put Mrs Prout in the back of a Land Rover and drove to the pub.



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