It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[faithlilly]

Why do you insist on taking parts of cites to turn them into misquotes and therefore lies.

Lee Rainbow did not make the comment you have attributed to him ... Mr Amaral's lawyer ... Antonio Cabrita did.

Just another example of the 'spin' which became a myth and which continues to be disgracefully perpetuated to the present day.


**snip

His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.

Gonzolo Amaral
The McCanns want Gonzolo Amaral (pictured yesterday) to be legally barred from accusing them of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance
'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'

The lawyer added: 'Portuguese police had only considered the abduction theory. It was British police who said they must consider homicide as well.'

Mr Cabrita did not outline what ' contradictions' had been found in Mr McCann's statements and refused to give any further details after the Lisbon hearing.



Mr Rainbow, 37, leads a team of five criminal profilers at the NPIA, and specialises in sex crimes and murders.

The Home Office agency, which describes itself as 'part of the police service', aims to improve police use of information, evidence and science and to support operations.

It is understood to have provided Portuguese police with a 'checklist' of how to proceed.

A spokesman said last night: 'In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends.
'This is good practice for investigating cases. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to Portuguese police.'

Mr Rainbow, who has worked on major investigations including the Ipswich prostitute murders and the disappearance of Shannon Matthews, did not say there was any evidence the McCanns were involved.

But his confidential report appears to have been a turning point in the Portuguese investigation.
Madeleine's distraught parents were named as official suspects a few weeks later, despite Portuguese police failing to find any evidence against them.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html#ixzz3RcMQiXiu


However ... if we continue to Mr Amaral's book ... (chapter 13) we find ...

FOR THE PROFILERS, MURAT IS THE GUILTY PARTY

All the same, according to the English profilers, there is a 90% chance that he is the guilty party.


Lee Rainbow DID NOT say what you have posted him as saying, I suggest you alter that and attribute it to the person who ACTUALLY said it ... Antonio Cabrita .

Not according to the very same newspaper a few months earlier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

SNIP...

'Gerry McCann was made a suspect in his daughter Madeleine's disappearance after a British expert said he should be investigated for 'homicide', a Portuguese court heard yesterday.

Criminal profiler Lee Rainbow recommended that police on the Algarve investigate the doctor and his wife Kate because of 'contradictions' in his statement.

The report by Mr Rainbow, of the National Policing Improvement Agency, was sent to Portugal in June 2007, a month after the three-year-old disappeared.'

SNIP

'His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, READING FROM A PORTUGUESE TRANSLATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY CONFIDENTIAL REPORT , said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'


I think that's clear enough, even for the most cerebrally challenged of us.

The information gleaned through the Wikileaks leak also reinforces the idea that the British police were in agreement with Amaral and his team on the subject of the McCanns involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338421/WikiLeaks-British-police-developed-evidence-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

[sadie]

Well it doesnt wasnt there a full programme on this, and forensics saying there was NOTHING found over the window sill, no lichen moved, no feet marks........

The window was never used to carry out a child, besides which there was a bed right under it. Someone simply went out of the front door............and came in that way.....with a key.

I am pleased to be able to agree with you Colom.  The FRONT DOOR was used, in and out.   Opened by a key and pulled to and closed again using the same key, so NO forensics.


Front door facts:
In a deep recess
In darkness
No one passes
Totally out of sight of anyone coming into the parking lot from any direction ... and walking to the centrallly situated walled pathway that they all needed to use to get to their flat.
Also totally out of sight from that walled pathway

The front doorway, a recessed hidden, and unseen place from any direction that anyone would walk.... and in virtually total darkness.

That was the way in and out, almost without doubt.

[Alfred R Jones]

Good grief  - I can't believe that ancient myth is still circulating.

I believe the "sceptic" line on the lichen is that it was grey lichen, virtually invisible to the naked eye.

[Alice Purjorick]

I believe the "sceptic" line on the lichen is that it was grey lichen, virtually invisible to the naked eye.

Well that's plausible isn't it?
Or are you implying grey lichen does not exist or does not thrive in that part of Portugal?
Not that I am a fan of the window theory you understand.

[pathfinder73]

I am pleased to be able to agree with you Colom.  The FRONT DOOR was used, in and out.   Opened by a key and pulled to and closed again using the same key, so NO forensics.


Front door facts:
In a deep recess
In darkness
No one passes
Totally out of sight of anyone coming into the parking lot from any direction ... and walking to the centrallly situated walled pathway that they all needed to use to get to their flat.
Also totally out of sight from that walled pathway

The front doorway, a recessed hidden, and unseen place from any direction that anyone would walk.... and in virtually total darkness.

That was the way in and out, almost without doubt.

Yes that would be the obvious way but the anomaly of the open window discards that theory. You don't risk getting caught if you have a key by wasting time by opening noisy shutters and a window that can be seen by anyone in that car park. You are straight in and out of the recessed door. But nobody saw the window open. David Payne entered the apartment with the McCanns when the alarm was raised and didn't even mention seeing the open window  &%+((£

"I didn't actually enter too much into the room but I walked to the edge and you know there was, you know the twins were in their cots, err they were in you know parallel, there was you know I could see, you know I think they were much further into the room but you know I could see Madeleine's bed and then you know it was just like all hell broke loose."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

Well that's plausible isn't it?
Or are you implying grey lichen does not exist or does not thrive in that part of Portugal?
Not that I am a fan of the window theory you understand.

Very plausible Alice, just look at the photos - the windowsills are very obviously thick in grey invisible lichen.

[Alice Purjorick]

Very plausible Alice, just look at the photos - the windowsills are very obviously thick in grey invisible lichen.

Well they are very tiny and have a very slow growth rate so would not necessarily show in a photo.
If however amongst your ologies is one on lichens I will bow to your superior knowledge 

[Alfred R Jones]

Well they are very tiny and have a very slow growth rate so would not necessarily show in a photo.
If however amongst your ologies is one on lichens I will bow to your superior knowledge 

And then of course there is the extensive passages on disturbed grey invisible lichen in the forensics sectionof the files that we should all pay heed to.

[Eleanor]

The Ocean Club would never allow Lichen in their pristine environment.  And there is a paint that prevents it.  Apart from that, it is very easy to get rid of.  I do know because I have some of it on occasions.

But I think that the window was opened by the abductor as a means of escape.  Being caught in that bedroom without an escape route would have been rather silly.  And any self respecting burglar or abductor would think first about how to get out if trapped

[Wonderfulspam]

Why do you insist on taking parts of cites to turn them into misquotes and therefore lies.

Lee Rainbow did not make the comment you have attributed to him ... Mr Amaral's lawyer ... Antonio Cabrita did.

Just another example of the 'spin' which became a myth and which continues to be disgracefully perpetuated to the present day.


**snip

His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.

Gonzolo Amaral
The McCanns want Gonzolo Amaral (pictured yesterday) to be legally barred from accusing them of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance
'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'

The lawyer added: 'Portuguese police had only considered the abduction theory. It was British police who said they must consider homicide as well.'

Mr Cabrita did not outline what ' contradictions' had been found in Mr McCann's statements and refused to give any further details after the Lisbon hearing.



Mr Rainbow, 37, leads a team of five criminal profilers at the NPIA, and specialises in sex crimes and murders.

The Home Office agency, which describes itself as 'part of the police service', aims to improve police use of information, evidence and science and to support operations.

It is understood to have provided Portuguese police with a 'checklist' of how to proceed.

A spokesman said last night: 'In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends.
'This is good practice for investigating cases. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to Portuguese police.'

Mr Rainbow, who has worked on major investigations including the Ipswich prostitute murders and the disappearance of Shannon Matthews, did not say there was any evidence the McCanns were involved.

But his confidential report appears to have been a turning point in the Portuguese investigation.
Madeleine's distraught parents were named as official suspects a few weeks later, despite Portuguese police failing to find any evidence against them.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html#ixzz3RcMQiXiu


However ... if we continue to Mr Amaral's book ... (chapter 13) we find ...

FOR THE PROFILERS, MURAT IS THE GUILTY PARTY

All the same, according to the English profilers, there is a 90% chance that he is the guilty party.


Lee Rainbow DID NOT say what you have posted him as saying, I suggest you alter that and attribute it to the person who ACTUALLY said it ... Antonio Cabrita .

Amarals lawyer just invented it, did he?

You really don't like the truth do you.

Utterly transparent.

[Brietta]

Amarals lawyer just invented it, did he?

You really don't like the truth do you.

Utterly transparent.

Yes you are, aren't you.

Mr Amaral's lawyer lifted very selectively from a thirty page report ... exactly as you did ... it is worth noting that,

Mr Rainbow did not say there was any evidence the McCanns were involved.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes you are, aren't you.

Mr Amaral's lawyer lifted very selectively from a thirty page report ... exactly as you did ... it is worth noting that,

Mr Rainbow did not say there was any evidence the McCanns were involved.

I never said he did.

He did confirm though, that there are contradictions in Dr McCann's version, something which your lot tend to ignore or attempt to explain away, which might lead them to suspect a homicide.


Anyways, Maddie is either out there or she's not, so she's out there until proven otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw#t=469

(I'm sticking with not)

[Brietta]

The Ocean Club would never allow Lichen in their pristine environment.  And there is a paint that prevents it.  Apart from that, it is very easy to get rid of.  I do know because I have some of it on occasions.

But I think that the window was opened by the abductor as a means of escape.  Being caught in that bedroom without an escape route would have been rather silly.  And any self respecting burglar or abductor would think first about how to get out if trapped

I think the window was certainly opened as a means of escape.  I don't think it was used as such because I agree completely with what Sadie has posted that the most likely point of entry and exit was the front door.

However, I'm not at all sure that all burglars do plan ahead ... there are a few cases on record of skeletons being found in chimneys and air conditioning ducts ... and it has been pointed out on numerous occasions that it would be a stupid burglar who would steal a child.

[pathfinder73]

The Ocean Club would never allow Lichen in their pristine environment.  And there is a paint that prevents it.  Apart from that, it is very easy to get rid of.  I do know because I have some of it on occasions.

But I think that the window was opened by the abductor as a means of escape.  Being caught in that bedroom without an escape route would have been rather silly.  And any self respecting burglar or abductor would think first about how to get out if trapped

It would take 10 seconds to grab that child and get back out. It would take longer to open window and noisy shutters and risk leaving evidence. The raised shutters could be seen by anybody in the car park.

[Eleanor]

I think the window was certainly opened as a means of escape.  I don't think it was used as such because I agree completely with what Sadie has posted that the most likely point of entry and exit was the front door.

However, I'm not at all sure that all burglars do plan ahead ... there are a few cases on record of skeletons being found in chimneys and air conditioning ducts ... and it has been pointed out on numerous occasions that it would be a stupid burglar who would steal a child.

Who better to know how to break into anywhere and leave with anything, other than a burglar.  And these people do have some sort of club amongst themselves if any nefarious deed needs doing for money.
And of course, we know far more about keys in this case these days.