Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[DCI]

Yes he was behind a 2 way mirror watching proceedings. Have you ever seen them in police stations or films?

Was he? Do you know there was a 2 way mirror in Portimao police station?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Personally I don't use bad language, so for me it's unacceptable. Also, wasn't the book said to be for her children to read later in life? My children have never heard me use such language, I assume hers have. Was Ricardo the liaison officer? In England the job of the liaison officer is to inform the family but also to report back on what they say, how they behave, etc. They are part of the investigating team, not separate from it. Her lawyers should perhaps have made her aware of that fact.

Indeed, and the language was crude and aggressive in my opinion.

The children would have been used to that kind of language,It is claimed Gerry said on the bus he was not there to F****  enjoy himself?


Not the perfect family as is potrayed.

[Benice]

Yes he was behind a 2 way mirror watching proceedings. Have you ever seen them in police stations or films?

Then why does he never mention a 2-way mirror?  After all that would be a perfectly acceptable reason for many of his comments in which he gives the distinct impression to the reader that he was actually there with the McCanns.       He had the perfect opportunity to do that when interviewed  -  but instead chose to lie and claim that he had met the McCanns.

[Jean-Pierre]

He wasn't lying. The dogs alerted behind that sofa. Blood was found there. Parents are always investigated in these cases but the McCanns don't like it and are playing the sympathy card. Well it doesn't wash with many. They can answer questions like all the other arguidos in this case! You keep on making excuses for them. It's their daughter, they refuse to answer questions and the tapas lot didn't go back and do a reconstruction. They can stop blaming others and the evil PJ because if anyone is to blame it's them for not cooperating! They would rather hire lawyers and sue people instead!

Really? 

"Each time a dog gave a signal, Ricardo would pause the video and inform me that blood had been found in this site and that the DNA from the sample matched Madeleine’s. He would stare at me intently and ask me to explain this.These were the only times I didn’t respond with a ‘No comment.’

Have I missed something?  Perhaps you could provide the forensic report confirming that the samples matched Madeleine.

[G-Unit]

Indeed, and the language was crude and aggressive in my opinion.

The children would have been used to that kind of language,It is claimed Gerry said on the bus he was not there to F****  enjoy himself?


Not the perfect family as is potrayed.

It might be quite fun if they gave an interview using their normal language. I expect it would have to be shown after the watershed. They could give their opinions of all those who have obstructed or suspected them. 

[G-Unit]

Really? 

"Each time a dog gave a signal, Ricardo would pause the video and inform me that blood had been found in this site and that the DNA from the sample matched Madeleine’s. He would stare at me intently and ask me to explain this.These were the only times I didn’t respond with a ‘No comment.’

Have I missed something?  Perhaps you could provide the forensic report confirming that the samples matched Madeleine.

Can you provide evidence that Ricardo said that? Also, if he did, was it a lie? Some of the forensics did match Madeleine's DNA, but not closely enough to say beyond  doubt it was hers.

[Benice]

Disputing or challenging points/opinions on here does not equate to believing the McCanns are perfect.   I might as well claim that posters who defend Amaral only do so because they think he is perfect.   Would you accept that.

Too daft for words IMO - just as the attempt to 'prove' there is something uniquely unacceptable about the McCanns for using the F word -  is too petty for words IMO.     

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.   



 

[G-Unit]

Disputing or challenging points/opinions on here does not equate to believing the McCanns are perfect.   I might as well claim that posters who defend Amaral only do so because they think he is perfect.   Would you accept that.

Too daft for words IMO - just as the attempt to 'prove' there is something uniquely unacceptable about the McCanns for using the F word -  is too petty for words IMO.     

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Well, I'm glad to hear it. My impression was mistaken then. Perhaps we should have a discussion on their imperfections at some point.

You may find coarse or offensive language petty, but I don't. I judge people who use such language because I don't find it acceptable. I find it unnecessary and demeaning to the person who uses it.
If it is so acceptable why is it not used on the news, in newspapers, in most workplaces? Why do the police object when people use it to them on those reality programmes? Because it's coarse and offensive, that's why. I can see no reason for Amaral being brought into this discussion either. The thread is about the language used by Kate McCann. If people wish to discuss Amaral's character and use of language then perhaps another thread is needed?

[Lace]

Can we get something straight,    Kate McCann did not say these words aloud,   they were muttered under her breath.

Also you have to take the circumstances into account,    she wasn't been handed a parking fine, she was being accused of faking an abduction and hiding her child's body!!!

Can you put yourself in Kate McCann's position?    No you can't.

Imagine the horror,   she was imagining they were searching for the person who took Madeleine,  then all of a sudden they are saying not only that her daughter was 'dead'  that would be enough to send someone over the edge, but that they had faked her abduction and hidden their daughters body,   they weren't searching for her at all.

Believe me they would have had to hold me down and sedate me,  I would have screamed like a banshee,   I think Kate McCann behaved very well in the circumstances.

[Brietta]

Well, I'm glad to hear it. My impression was mistaken then. Perhaps we should have a discussion on their imperfections at some point.

You may find coarse or offensive language petty, but I don't. I judge people who use such language because I don't find it acceptable. I find it unnecessary and demeaning to the person who uses it.
If it is so acceptable why is it not used on the news, in newspapers, in most workplaces? Why do the police object when people use it to them on those reality programmes? Because it's coarse and offensive, that's why. I can see no reason for Amaral being brought into this discussion either. The thread is about the language used by Kate McCann. If people wish to discuss Amaral's character and use of language then perhaps another thread is needed?

Don't know if you have noticed or not ... whatever the title of the thread it always degenerates into discussion of "their imperfections at some point" and/or their parenting skills.

When almost being totalled by a ten ton truck on a roundabout I shocked myself by uttering an expletive I didn't know I knew as what I thought was going to be my last word instead of the pious prayer I had always imagined it would be.

I'm amused that people can get themselves so worked up by two words, when they don't seem to give a tinker's curse that someone saw fit to 'vanish' a little girl and direct a little of their negative energy in that person/s' direction.

[Mr Gray]

Well, I'm glad to hear it. My impression was mistaken then. Perhaps we should have a discussion on their imperfections at some point.

You may find coarse or offensive language petty, but I don't. I judge people who use such language because I don't find it acceptable. I find it unnecessary and demeaning to the person who uses it.
If it is so acceptable why is it not used on the news, in newspapers, in most workplaces? Why do the police object when people use it to them on those reality programmes? Because it's coarse and offensive, that's why. I can see no reason for Amaral being brought into this discussion either. The thread is about the language used by Kate McCann. If people wish to discuss Amaral's character and use of language then perhaps another thread is needed?

that sort of language is quite common amongst the middle classes...including doctors

[Jean-Pierre]

Well, I'm glad to hear it. My impression was mistaken then. Perhaps we should have a discussion on their imperfections at some point.

You may find coarse or offensive language petty, but I don't. I judge people who use such language because I don't find it acceptable. I find it unnecessary and demeaning to the person who uses it.
If it is so acceptable why is it not used on the news, in newspapers, in most workplaces? Why do the police object when people use it to them on those reality programmes? Because it's coarse and offensive, that's why. I can see no reason for Amaral being brought into this discussion either. The thread is about the language used by Kate McCann. If people wish to discuss Amaral's character and use of language then perhaps another thread is needed?

Oh for heavens sake, dont be so "precious". 

[ShiningInLuz]

As a neutral re the McCanns (just parking that in advance), I find the words appropriate for the situation described by the Kate McCann.  That is, assuming that the situation was as described in her book, as I have only Kate's book to say that the situation and the expletive existed.

Kate's description about repeated stopping of the tape to explain blood and DNA had been found does not match files or the videos on this point.  Keela alerted 3 times.  Eddie alerted in lots of places, including lots where Keela did not.  The only clear match to Madeleine was in 5A.  Therefore I wonder whether artistic licence has been taken by Kate.

The only reference I can find to Kate dropping her head in the interview is in Amaral's book, so I am equally cautious about whether such an event actually happened, or it is artistic licence.

For anyone thinking Kate's expletive might offend the children, here's my take.  The files were out before her book, and I would expect someone in her position to mount a strong attack on the dogs, whether that person  was innocent or guilty.  And Kate would have wanted the twins to know, in the passage of time, that she reacted strongly.  Whether she actually did or not, whether the tape-stopping happened as she said it had, or not.

[G-Unit]

I'm well aware that coarse and offensive is now widespread. In my youth it wasn't. Maybe I'm old-fashioned in seeing it as unacceptable, but I do. That's my opinion, always has been and always will be.

[Jean-Pierre]

And of course no "McCann sceptic would ever use anything stronger than "bother"