Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Carana]

There was a (potentially interesting) thread here, but not a very popular one:

What evidence would one expect to find in an ABDUCTION?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5306.0

[Alfred R Jones]

As cases of stranger abduction from a home are incredibly rare, could you say where you got the information allowing you to say 'quite often'?

I think you have misunderstood.  Brietta isn't saying stranger abductions happen "quite often" but that "quite often" no evidence is left behind in cases of abduction. 

[Alice Purjorick]

There was a (potentially interesting) thread here, but not a very popular one:

What evidence would one expect to find in an ABDUCTION?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5306.0

True but it didn't take long to mention The Dreaded Trinity and go off course (Cipriano, Dogs, Amaral).

[Carana]

True but it didn't take long to mention The Dreaded Trinity and go off course (Cipriano, Dogs, Amaral).

No doubt, but the question of what evidence one could expect in an abduction is still a valid one, isn't it?

[G-Unit]

I think you have misunderstood.  Brietta isn't saying stranger abductions happen "quite often" but that "quite often" no evidence is left behind in cases of abduction.

So in these very rare cases, how often is there no evidence? What does 'quite' mean?

[Mr Gray]

No doubt, but the question of what evidence one could expect in an abduction is still a valid one, isn't it?

What evidence could we expect...first...there would need to be someone missing...without that it would be difficult to prove abduction

[Mr Gray]

So in these very rare cases, how often is there no evidence? What does 'quite' mean?

ben needham...none...girl abducted from bath...none....

[Carana]

So in these very rare cases, how often is there no evidence? What does 'quite' mean?

Until recently, there has been little information about circumstances on a pan-European scale, let alone on a national one. Police forces didn't always record all the information, and sometimes recorded murder even if the person may have been abducted.

The study (posted here not that long ago) has numerous recommendations for the future.

[Alfred R Jones]

So in these very rare cases, how often is there no evidence? What does 'quite' mean?

I predicted you'd want a specific number.  That's how these discussions tend to go.  I have no idea is the simple answer.  Perhaps Brietta can fill you in.  Do you disagree with the notion that abductions can occur quite often with no apparent evidence left behind?  For example - Claudia Lawrence.  There's one off the top of my head.  Suzy Lamplugh.  There's another.  Ben Needham - oops that's 3.  Shall I keep on?

[G-Unit]

I predicted you'd want a specific number.  That's how these discussions tend to go.  I have no idea is the simple answer.  Perhaps Brietta can fill you in.  Do you disagree with the notion that abductions can occur quite often with no apparent evidence left behind?  For example - Claudia Lawrence.  There's one off the top of my head.  Suzy Lamplugh.  There's another.  Ben Needham - oops that's 3.  Shall I keep on?

I was thinking of children taken from their homes actually, a bit more specific. They're the really rare ones.

[Alfred R Jones]

I was thinking of children taken from their homes actually, a bit more specific. They're the really rare ones.

Brietta wasn't talking specifically about those, if you read back you will see that.  Are you sure though that you'd be happy with stats for abductions with no clues from homes, and not more specifically from holiday apartments in the Algarve? 

[Alice Purjorick]

No doubt, but the question of what evidence one could expect in an abduction is still a valid one, isn't it?

I am not disputing that!
Just observing how quickly The Trinity take over. At least there was no "ex parte" 

[ferryman]

ben needham...none...girl abducted from bath...none....

There was some evidence in the Peter Voisey case (who abducted a girl from a bath).

There was a footprint on the floor of the bathroom that matched the print of a trainer Voisey owned.

Also the little girl (who, thank God, survived) was able to offer evidence.  It was never publicly revealed, but maybe she was able to describe details of the interior of his car that matched (for example)?

[Carana]

True.
From one of my few posts on Carana's "unpopular" thread.

All abductions result in a missing person but not all missing persons have been abducted.


I suppose one could add the caveat "except on here" 

I have no problem whatsoever with that comment of yours:
All abductions result in a missing person but not all missing persons have been abducted.

[Mr Gray]

I think it's highly likely abduction happened