Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[mercury]

my impression on whether chloroform or anything else was used seems to be without any evidence at all so I wonder why people are even bothering to talk about it, as its 100 per cent speculation in the event and nothing else

[G-Unit]

my impression on whether chloroform or anything else was used seems to be without any evidence at all so I wonder why people are even bothering to talk about it, as its 100 per cent speculation in the event and nothing else

It's not about evidence, it's about belief. If you believe the parent's story the shutters and window were open. No reason can be found for that, so one has to be invented. Handily, it also explains why opening the shutters didn't wake the children; they were chloroformed! Of course this doesn't explain why they continued to sleep on and on and on later.

[Brietta]

It's not about evidence, it's about belief. If you believe the parent's story the shutters and window were open. No reason can be found for that, so one has to be invented. Handily, it also explains why opening the shutters didn't wake the children; they were chloroformed! Of course this doesn't explain why they continued to sleep on and on and on later.

Perhaps it is about "belief" ... a belief shared by the Portuguese Attorney General ~ now there is a very important legal title ~ top notch I would think.

It also seems to be a "belief" shared with the professional investigators presently working on Madeleine McCann's case who have found no evidence to implicate her parents or their friends to her disappearance ... but who are it seems following the evidence which has led to people of interest.

Course you will know so much better than these professionals who have all the available evidence to hand.

[Mr Gray]

It's not about evidence, it's about belief. If you believe the parent's story the shutters and window were open. No reason can be found for that, so one has to be invented. Handily, it also explains why opening the shutters didn't wake the children; they were chloroformed! Of course this doesn't explain why they continued to sleep on and on and on later.

we have gone over again and again why the children would sleep...children who are in a deep sleep...who are worn out from playing all day can be difficult to wake...I know from experience

[faithlilly]

we have gone over again and again why the children would sleep...children who are in a deep sleep...who are worn out from playing all day can be difficult to wake...I know from experience

So why do you think Kate was, allegedly, worried enough about their non-responsive state to voice her concern to a GNR officer on the night ?

[stephen25000]

we have gone over again and again why the children would sleep...children who are in a deep sleep...who are worn out from playing all day can be difficult to wake...I know from experience

Of course you do.

You've had many experiences, or so you say.

[carlymichelle]

So why do you think Kate was, allegedly, worried enough about their non-responsive state to voice her concern to a GNR officer on the night ?

so davel doesnt  see anything  wrong with 2 toddlers being  unresponsive? basically??

[stephen25000]

so davel doesnt  see anything  wrong with 2 toddlers being  unresponsive? basically??

He's admitted to doing it himself.

[Alice Purjorick]

Of course you do.

You've had many experiences, or so you say.

"Pain of a Troubled Life": Alison Krauss and Union Station; "I've lived a dozen lifetimes in twenty-some-odd years .."
 

[Mr Gray]

He's admitted to doing it himself.

you need to read the post again

[Mr Gray]

so davel doesnt  see anything  wrong with 2 toddlers being  unresponsive? basically??

not if they are just in a deep sleep ...absolutely not

[Mr Gray]

So why do you think Kate was, allegedly, worried enough about their non-responsive state to voice her concern to a GNR officer on the night ?

you have to see the remark in context...at that time kate was in a blind panic

[faithlilly]

you have to see the remark in context...at that time kate was in a blind panic

This is the context as written in Madeleine :

'
I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and their knees tucked under their tummies. In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too?  (Snip)

(Snip)
We tried to explain what had happened. David reiterated his concerns about roadblocks and border notification and I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated. A lady called Sílvia, who worked at the Ocean Club, had arrived to help out with translation. We learned later that she was the maintenance and services manager. I remember her telling me that she had two grown-up daughters herself. She was very kind and I was glad of her help and support.'

Of course Silvia Batista nor any other police officer mention in their statements Kate expressing her concerns about sedation but that's for another thread.

[Carana]

This is the context as written in Madeleine :

'
I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and their knees tucked under their tummies. In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too?  (Snip)

(Snip)
We tried to explain what had happened. David reiterated his concerns about roadblocks and border notification and I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated. A lady called Sílvia, who worked at the Ocean Club, had arrived to help out with translation. We learned later that she was the maintenance and services manager. I remember her telling me that she had two grown-up daughters herself. She was very kind and I was glad of her help and support.'

Of course Silvia Batista nor any other police officer mention in their statements Kate expressing her concerns about sedation but that's for another thread.

No, but the forensic people did apparently look to see if there was any obvious evidence of sedation lying around. And sniffed the pillow. I still don't understand why the PJ didn't test the twins.

[G-Unit]

we have gone over again and again why the children would sleep...children who are in a deep sleep...who are worn out from playing all day can be difficult to wake...I know from experience

You can say it however many times you want, it means nothing to me, or to three qualified doctors;

Asked if the twins had been drugged, she said on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour today: 'On the night I just remember the twins lying in the cot and not moving - with lights going on and people moving around.
'There was a lot of noise and they just didn't move and I remember several times checking for chest movements. I did feel it was a bit strange that they were not moving let alone waking up.
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When questioned if the twins woke up during the searches in the apartment, he replied negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke, as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, but he can find no reason for it happening. Yet, at that moment he thought that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.
Processos Vol IV, pages 2569-2578
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No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.
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