Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[mercury]

When did Tannerman give his statement and who was it given to ?

He gave it to the Leicester police in May 2007, yes, i know!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027

[Alice Purjorick]

Now why didn't I think of that ... how remiss.   %£5&%

However back to the nitty gritty ... hard evidence ... can't get much harder than unidentified fingerprints and hair samples. I'm unsure from where in the apartment the so far unidentified prints were lifted or how many are involved.
The middle finger and index finger of Madeleine's mother's left hand were lifted from the inside of the window pane; were the other three the ones which were circulated to other countries and which remain unidentified?

For an apartment that people were living in there was an extraordinary cleanliness and lack of useable fingerprints from those who were legitimately in the apartment, almost as if someone had taken great pains to wipe down all available surfaces which might have been touched.

Nota bene ... the legitimate occupants would not have required to wipe down the apartment to the extent only Kate McCann's fresh prints and the GNR fresh prints were the only ones deposited.

So to say no hard evidence was left is wrong when there remains unidentified prints and hair samples to be accounted for.

The reading of your essays is always an interesting and amusing diversion. Unfortunately it can also be unrewarding when read through the prism of “Can one identify a significant fact”. The paucity of significant facts in the latest missive interwoven as they are within a veritable multiplicity of words both superfluous and oft times condescending in nature leads one to but one conclusion. It is an attempt to create within the essay the illusion of substance and significance.
In this instance it is with some regret I have to inform you that you have been unsuccessful. Please do not let this discourage you in any way from making further submissions.

[G-Unit]

The reading of your essays is always an interesting and amusing diversion. Unfortunately it can also unrewarding when read through the prism of “Can one identify a significant fact”. The paucity of significant facts in the latest missive interwoven as they are within a veritable multiplicity of words both superfluous and oft times condescending in nature leads one to but one conclusion. It is an attempt to create within the essay the illusion of substance and significance.
In this instance it is with some regret I have to inform you that you have been unsuccessful. Please do not let this discourage you in any way from making further submissions.

Brilliant! 

[Alfred R Jones]

The reading of your essays is always an interesting and amusing diversion. Unfortunately it can also be unrewarding when read through the prism of “Can one identify a significant fact”. The paucity of significant facts in the latest missive interwoven as they are within a veritable multiplicity of words both superfluous and oft times condescending in nature leads one to but one conclusion. It is an attempt to create within the essay the illusion of substance and significance.
In this instance it is with some regret I have to inform you that you have been unsuccessful. Please do not let this discourage you in any way from making further submissions.

No. Self. Awareness. What. So. Ever.

[Mr Gray]

The reading of your essays is always an interesting and amusing diversion. Unfortunately it can also be unrewarding when read through the prism of “Can one identify a significant fact”. The paucity of significant facts in the latest missive interwoven as they are within a veritable multiplicity of words both superfluous and oft times condescending in nature leads one to but one conclusion. It is an attempt to create within the essay the illusion of substance and significance.
In this instance it is with some regret I have to inform you that you have been unsuccessful. Please do not let this discourage you in any way from making further submissions.

I posters relied on facts to make submissions this forum would not exist clever dick

[Alfred R Jones]

Unidentified fingerprints in a holiday apartment inhabited and visited by so many and which presumably wasnt forensically cleaned daily don't mean that much...they just mean unidentified, they could have been anyones. Likewise, unidentified hairs do not automatically mean an "abductor's hairs"

Try harder on the "hard evidence of abduction" theme.

What hard evidence would you expect to find left behind by an abductor?  A note that said "I have just abducted you're child, in case you were wondering where she'd got to"?  Or what, if not that?

[Miss Taken Identity]

G-Unit stated that open windows and shutters are not evidence of abduction.  Forget for a moment the question of whether they were or not in this case, but refer to the scenario that I gave. Are open windows and shutters evidence of abduction, or are they not?  If not, why not?

Seriously?

No, shutters open- closed or upside down are not evidence of anything, other than, they are open- closed or upside down.

My window was open last night- no one was abducted. but there is evidence the window was open!

If you want we can say, for talking sake, that someone opened the window then ran away - Maddie go up and climbed out...

The open/ shut /whooshingcurtains story, needs to be laid to rest. It was an invention to merely cover the fact the children were left alone in an unlocked apartment- and Maddie could have 'woke and wandered'. A scenario the parents NEVER want to be discussed...Ask your self why.

If there was an abduction, it would have been via open/unlocked door.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The reading of your essays is always an interesting and amusing diversion. Unfortunately it can also be unrewarding when read through the prism of “Can one identify a significant fact”. The paucity of significant facts in the latest missive interwoven as they are within a veritable multiplicity of words both superfluous and oft times condescending in nature leads one to but one conclusion. It is an attempt to create within the essay the illusion of substance and significance.
In this instance it is with some regret I have to inform you that you have been unsuccessful. Please do not let this discourage you in any way from making further submissions.

  needed to be said!  I must confess, we do laugh at some of the sillyness of her posts

The intellegence posturing is too funny for words sometimes!

on topic: No hard evidence Maddie was abducted via windows.whoooosh!

Then...

Brietta said"However back to the nitty gritty ... hard evidence ... can't get much harder than unidentified fingerprints and hair samples. I'm unsure from where in the apartment the so far unidentified prints were lifted or how many are involved.
The middle finger and index finger of Madeleine's mother's left hand were lifted from the inside of the window pane; were the other three the ones which were circulated to other countries and which remain unidentified?"


Unidetified means no one knows who they belong to. SO please explain the hard evidence they belong to an 'abductor'.

How very bloody carelss of him/her leaving a couple of hairs and a fingerprint.. mind you he did wipe his DNA from the 'window' and 'shutters' ooh err I say! I do love a clean,tidy man.

[Alfred R Jones]

Press this button here and that motor over there will fire up 

How many times have you utilized this phrase on this forum?  More or less than Faith and her "irony klaxon" I wonder... &%+((£

[Alfred R Jones]

Seriously?

No, shutters open- closed or upside down are not evidence of anything, other than, they are open- closed or upside down.

My window was open last night- no one was abducted. but there is evidence the window was open!

If you want we can say, for talking sake, that someone opened the window then ran away - Maddie go up and climbed out...

The open/ shut /whooshingcurtains story, needs to be laid to rest. It was an invention to merely cover the fact the children were left alone in an unlocked apartment- and Maddie could have 'woke and wandered'. A scenario the parents NEVER want to be discussed...Ask your self why.

If there was an abduction, it would have been via open/unlocked door.

So, you are telling me that if you left your small child asleep in a room with the windows closed and then when you looked in on her she was gone and the windows were open this would not be evidence of anything apart from the windows being open?  Riiiiight.... &%+((£

[Alice Purjorick]

How many times have you utilized this phrase on this forum?  More or less than Faith and her "irony klaxon" I wonder... &%+((£

Well posters could make it a redundant term Alf were they a little less predictable in their responses to certain stimuli. The herding instinct in some, however, does not seem to have a manual override.
Look no smiley.

[Alfred R Jones]

Well posters could make it a redundant term Alf were they a little less predictable in their responses to certain stimuli. The herding instinct in some, however, does not seem to have a manual override.
Look no smiley.

You always jump to my bait.  That deserves this smiley.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So, you are telling me that if you left your small child asleep in a room with the windows closed and then when you looked in on her she was gone and the windows were open this would not be evidence of anything apart from the windows being open?  Riiiiight.... &%+((£

Um  yeah.  lets break this down...

child sleeping - window closed

parent comes in opens window- walks away forgetting to close it

child sees open window  - climbs out.

Yes? No? don't know?

you see what you are suggesting is:  open window + missing child = abduction. That is a suggestion not evidence dear.

You want to make the story fit all nice.... but it just doesn't, no matter how you try.

No HARD  (physical) EVIDENCE to show abductor entered that apartment via window and shutters being jemmied.

Perhaps an unlocked door? hm maybe?

Now lets look back at Team McCanns talking about the shutters being 'damaged' before Maddies disappearance  Gerry had a look at them? what happened to his fingerprints Hmm?

Was the scene being set?

[Alfred R Jones]

Um  yeah.  lets break this down...

child sleeping - window closed

parent comes in opens window- walks away forgetting to close it

child sees open window  - climbs out.

Yes? No? don't know?

you see what you are suggesting is:  open window + missing child = abduction. That is a suggestion not evidence dear.

You want to make the story fit all nice.... but it just doesn't, no matter how you try.

No HARD  (physical) EVIDENCE to show abductor entered that apartment via window and shutters being jemmied.

Perhaps an unlocked door? hm maybe?

Now lets look back at Team McCanns talking about the shutters being 'damaged' before Maddies disappearance  Gerry had a look at them? what happened to his fingerprints Hmm?

Was the scene being set?

So, you are telling me that if you left your small child asleep in a room with the windows closed and then when you looked in on her she was gone and the windows were open this would not be evidence of anything apart from the windows being open?  I had to ask it again because you didn't really answer my question.  Are you able to put yourself in the scenario I have painted or not?  Because if you haven't the imagination then please don't bother to reply again.

[Alfred R Jones]

For those who don't seem to understand the meaning of the word evidence:

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

You leave a room with the window closed and when you next look in to it the window is open  - that is evidence that someone other than yourself opened it.  If you left a small child asleep in that room and they are not there when you return you have to ask yourself is the window evidence that links to the child's disappearance?  If the answer is yes, then you have to ask yourself: is it likely that my small child opened the window by themselves.  If you conclude that the answer to that question is no or unlikely then you may well consider the fact that someone else opened the window and took your child.  It ain't rocket science.