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Offline mercury

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1305 on: March 30, 2016, 09:59:40 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised because they seem to me to be an accident waiting to happen. I don't believe the McCanns would go along with it for a minute though. No way would such a reputation conscious couple have agreed to pretend to neglect their children.

Depends who was doing the pressurising and if life long financial security was part of the deal...but yes, I cant see them agreeing to be all over the front pages for years so scrap that one

Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1306 on: March 30, 2016, 11:40:36 PM »
. Kate says he played another game with another guest and she went for a run.

Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

If Gerry was on the tennis courts around 4/4.30pm, he was presumably in his tennis gear, and had his racket with him. But there's no mention of him turning up in his tennis shorts at 4.45pm when, allegedly, he began to have tea with Maddie and Cat Baker (the cook says 4.30pm).

Cat Baker never remembers Kate arriving at the Tapas restaurant  in all her running gear - except that by the time we get to her rogatory on 18 April 2008, she 'thinks' Kate 'might have' been wearing some sort of sports gear (sorry, can't find the exact quote at the moment).

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...when, supposedly, he asked David Payne to go and see his wife to 'see if she was all right'/'see if she was coming down with the kids to watch the tennis'/'to see if she needed any help' or maybe for some other reason.       

There are some on the forum who think these multiple and stark contradictions don't matter at all - and can be waved away by saying things like: 'There are always inconsistences when people to try and remember an incident' or 'It's hard for people to remember what happened' or 'They muddled up the dates' etc.

Well, they can't be waved away          
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1307 on: March 31, 2016, 12:05:48 AM »
Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

If Gerry was on the tennis courts around 4/4.30pm, he was presumably in his tennis gear, and had his racket with him. But there's no mention of him turning up in his tennis shorts at 4.45pm when, allegedly, he began to have tea with Maddie and Cat Baker (the cook says 4.30pm).

Cat Baker never remembers Kate arriving at the Tapas restaurant  in all her running gear - except that by the time we get to her rogatory on 18 April 2008, she 'thinks' Kate 'might have' been wearing some sort of sports gear (sorry, can't find the exact quote at the moment).

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...when, supposedly, he asked David Payne to go and see his wife to 'see if she was all right'/'see if she was coming down with the kids to watch the tennis'/'to see if she needed any help' or maybe for some other reason.       

There are some on the forum who think these multiple and stark contradictions don't matter at all - and can be waved away by saying things like: 'There are always inconsistences when people to try and remember an incident' or 'It's hard for people to remember what happened' or 'They muddled up the dates' etc.

Well, they can't be waved away       

I don't know where the Achilles tendon rumour originated but another guest said that happened on Sunday or Monday, the day he saw the family at the beach at lunchtime, which I think was Monday when Madeleine and the twins were signed into their creches after 3pm, not Tuesday as Kate said.

Cat Baker didn't remember seeing Gerry at all at Thursday tea, did she?
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1308 on: March 31, 2016, 12:08:46 AM »
Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

If Gerry was on the tennis courts around 4/4.30pm, he was presumably in his tennis gear, and had his racket with him. But there's no mention of him turning up in his tennis shorts at 4.45pm when, allegedly, he began to have tea with Maddie and Cat Baker (the cook says 4.30pm).

Cat Baker never remembers Kate arriving at the Tapas restaurant  in all her running gear - except that by the time we get to her rogatory on 18 April 2008, she 'thinks' Kate 'might have' been wearing some sort of sports gear (sorry, can't find the exact quote at the moment).

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...when, supposedly, he asked David Payne to go and see his wife to 'see if she was all right'/'see if she was coming down with the kids to watch the tennis'/'to see if she needed any help' or maybe for some other reason.       

There are some on the forum who think these multiple and stark contradictions don't matter at all - and can be waved away by saying things like: 'There are always inconsistences when people to try and remember an incident' or 'It's hard for people to remember what happened' or 'They muddled up the dates' etc.

Well, they can't be waved away       

Original Source:  TIMES ON LINE: SUN 16 DEC 2007
David James Smith December 16, 2007
 
Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears Timesonline

**snip
It seems important to make it clear right away that I do not suspect the McCanns harmed Madeleine, nor do I think they disposed of their daughter’s body if, as the PJ believe, she died in an accident that night in their apartment.

This is not a mere prejudice on my part. I have spent a long time considering and examining every unpleasant scenario. The McCanns are not my friends and I have no axe to grind with Portugal, its police or its media.

To me, the McCanns are genuine people in the grip of despair – the accusations against them are ludicrous and a cruel distraction from the search for their daughter. That’s why I put the quotation marks around the word "death" at the top of the article. Madeleine may be dead, it may even be more likely she is dead, but nobody knows for sure. Nobody, not even the PJ, as we will see, can produce any persuasive evidence that she has come to harm.

http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/9dec7/TIMES_16_12_07.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1309 on: March 31, 2016, 09:07:10 AM »
Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

If Gerry was on the tennis courts around 4/4.30pm, he was presumably in his tennis gear, and had his racket with him. But there's no mention of him turning up in his tennis shorts at 4.45pm when, allegedly, he began to have tea with Maddie and Cat Baker (the cook says 4.30pm).

Cat Baker never remembers Kate arriving at the Tapas restaurant  in all her running gear - except that by the time we get to her rogatory on 18 April 2008, she 'thinks' Kate 'might have' been wearing some sort of sports gear (sorry, can't find the exact quote at the moment).

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...when, supposedly, he asked David Payne to go and see his wife to 'see if she was all right'/'see if she was coming down with the kids to watch the tennis'/'to see if she needed any help' or maybe for some other reason.       

There are some on the forum who think these multiple and stark contradictions don't matter at all - and can be waved away by saying things like: 'There are always inconsistences when people to try and remember an incident' or 'It's hard for people to remember what happened' or 'They muddled up the dates' etc.

Well, they can't be waved away       

YOU were inconsistent with your recollection of what David Payne did when he visited Kate McCann,  YOU said he sat down,  he didn't,   you didn't correct yourself either.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 09:42:05 AM by Lace »

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1310 on: March 31, 2016, 10:27:18 AM »
Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

...

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...
If DJS is accurate, there's an issue.  If DJS is not accurate, there isn't an issue.

Unless my index of Mr Hall's video is in error, he does not mention or rely on this, at least this time round.

Technically, the tendon issue is off topic, but if you want to cover it, do you have a copy of the Times article or a link, please?
What's up, old man?

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1311 on: March 31, 2016, 10:36:10 AM »
YOU were inconsistent with your recollection of what David Payne did when he visited Kate McCann,  YOU said he sat down,  he didn't,   you didn't correct yourself either.


does it matter wether....he sat down or not ....he went in didn't he ..didn't stand out side

those are the discrepancies you should be looking at....made by the people who were there in there statements...

not a post..............
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Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1312 on: March 31, 2016, 10:37:10 AM »
Hmmm, well, according to David James Smith in the Times in December 2007, Gerry's Achilles tendon was playing up so badly that he had to stop playing there and then.

If Gerry was on the tennis courts around 4/4.30pm, he was presumably in his tennis gear, and had his racket with him. But there's no mention of him turning up in his tennis shorts at 4.45pm when, allegedly, he began to have tea with Maddie and Cat Baker (the cook says 4.30pm).

Cat Baker never remembers Kate arriving at the Tapas restaurant  in all her running gear - except that by the time we get to her rogatory on 18 April 2008, she 'thinks' Kate 'might have' been wearing some sort of sports gear (sorry, can't find the exact quote at the moment).

As for Gerry's Achilles tendon being so bad at 4pm that he couldn't carry on playing tennis, how comes he was able to take part in a vigorous 'social tennis' match between 6pm and 7pm?...

...when, supposedly, he asked David Payne to go and see his wife to 'see if she was all right'/'see if she was coming down with the kids to watch the tennis'/'to see if she needed any help' or maybe for some other reason.       

There are some on the forum who think these multiple and stark contradictions don't matter at all - and can be waved away by saying things like: 'There are always inconsistences when people to try and remember an incident' or 'It's hard for people to remember what happened' or 'They muddled up the dates' etc.

Well, they can't be waved away       


It's not a case of  'waving away' inconsistencies/contradictions  .   It's applying common sense and acknowledging that inconsistencies do not automatically mean that deliberate lies are being told by anyone.   On the other hand waving away the known fallibility of memory and then claiming that because several people don't have identical memories of any particular event is evidence that a 'conspiracy' must be underway is totally unrealistic IMO.

Fortunately the professionals -i.e. the police -  are well aware that although witnesses honestly believe they are relating their recollections of events, it doesn't mean they can be relied on to be accurate.  In fact - far from it.

For example  (again!)

Quote

In a crime situation memory is influenced by many factors such as stress, the presence of a weapon and even just the desire to help police solve the crime.

"Police know how fallible the memory can be," says Steve Retford, a former head of the investigative skills unit at GMP and now specialist interviewing adviser with the force.

"They also know this is usually not through mischievousness on the part of the witnesses, but through stress and shock."

Take the case of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot at Stockwell Tube station in 2005 by police who mistook him for a suicide bomber.

Eyewitnesses said he had vaulted a ticket barrier when running away from the police. In fact it was later shown by CCTV that Mr Menezes had walked through the barriers, having picked up a free newspaper, and only ran when he saw his train arriving.
End quote


Quote from DC Ferguson (JT's rogatory statement)

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.

This applies to all witnesses - at all times,  including those associated with the McCann case. 

You recently claimed that Dr Payne said that he went into 5A, and actually sat down!  If that was true it would be a significant discrepancy IMO compared to Kate's description of him standing at the doorway.

I am assuming that you genuinely remembered Dr. Payne saying that he had sat down in 5A when you made that claim.   But it isn't true - and therefore would you agree that you got it wrong purely because of the fallibiity of your own memory?

Why anyone would believe that the witnesses associated with the McCann case - for some inexplicable reason don't have the same fallibility as the rest of us when it comes to memory recall  - and interpret every discrepancy as evidence that people are lying because they are part of some devious conspiracy   - is incomprehensible to me. 

   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1313 on: March 31, 2016, 10:48:01 AM »

It's not a case of  'waving away' inconsistencies/contradictions  .   It's applying common sense and acknowledging that inconsistencies do not automatically mean that deliberate lies are being told by anyone.   On the other hand waving away the known fallibility of memory and then claiming that because several people don't have identical memories of any particular event is evidence that a 'conspiracy' must be underway is totally unrealistic IMO.

Fortunately the professionals -i.e. the police -  are well aware that although witnesses honestly believe they are relating their recollections of events, it doesn't mean they can be relied on to be accurate.  In fact - far from it.

For example  (again!)

Quote

In a crime situation memory is influenced by many factors such as stress, the presence of a weapon and even just the desire to help police solve the crime.

"Police know how fallible the memory can be," says Steve Retford, a former head of the investigative skills unit at GMP and now specialist interviewing adviser with the force.

"They also know this is usually not through mischievousness on the part of the witnesses, but through stress and shock."

Take the case of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot at Stockwell Tube station in 2005 by police who mistook him for a suicide bomber.

Eyewitnesses said he had vaulted a ticket barrier when running away from the police. In fact it was later shown by CCTV that Mr Menezes had walked through the barriers, having picked up a free newspaper, and only ran when he saw his train arriving.
End quote


Quote from DC Ferguson (JT's rogatory statement)

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.

This applies to all witnesses - at all times,  including those associated with the McCann case. 

You recently claimed that Dr Payne said that he went into 5A, and actually sat down!  If that was true it would be a significant discrepancy IMO compared to Kate's description of him standing at the doorway.

I am assuming that you genuinely remembered Dr. Payne saying that he had sat down in 5A when you made that claim.   But it isn't true - and therefore would you agree that you got it wrong purely because of the fallibiity of your own memory?

Why anyone would believe that the witnesses associated with the McCann case - for some inexplicable reason don't have the same fallibility as the rest of us when it comes to memory recall  - and interpret every discrepancy as evidence that people are lying because they are part of some devious conspiracy   - is incomprehensible to me. 

 

That is working on the assumption that the witnesses are telling the truth.

The fact of the matter remains, that this crime, if any remains unsolved, and shows no sign of a resolution.


I do wonder sometimes how many of us will still be on here in years to come debating the intricisies of the case which has gone resoundingly nowhere.

Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1314 on: March 31, 2016, 11:15:47 AM »

does it matter wether....he sat down or not ....he went in didn't he ..didn't stand out side

those are the discrepancies you should be looking at....made by the people who were there in there statements...

not a post..............

IMO you have completely missed the point which was not about whether Dr Payne sat down or not - but was about blonk's genuine but mistaken recollection of what Dr Payne had said.

The idea that the same fallibility of memory,  (which the police know is a fact of life)  - cannot be applied to people in the McCann case makes no sense whatsoever IMO.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Brietta

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1315 on: March 31, 2016, 11:28:51 AM »
Witnesses see things differently and each puts his/her own interpretation of events.  The same incident when segments are seen from different viewpoints will be described as seen but may not necessarily present the full picture.

If a group of people described an incident down to the last detail without deviation and in exactly the same terms someone taking their statements would strongly suspect collusion and rehearsal.

One only has to watch a vox pop after a major incident to see people talking about what happened which seems to us to be in a confusing and contradictory way.  They have viewed it as it happened to them.


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Black and white visuals of a skinhead running down a street, seemingly away from an approaching car towards a woman.

Visuals move to show the same man running past the woman towards a man who turns around and sees the skinhead approaching him and holds his briefcase up in defence.

Visuals change again to show the skinhead running towards the man who is walking beneath a rack of bricks that is about to fall on him.

The skinhead pulls him aside out of harms way.

MVO says an event seen from one point of view gives one impression, seen from another point of view it gives a different point of view, but it's only when you get the whole picture you can fully understand what's going on.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1316 on: April 02, 2016, 02:33:59 AM »
Crèche records 1

In the first part of 'When Madeleine Died?', Mr Hall questions whether Madeleine attended High Tea on Thu 3 May, and raises the possibility that the McCanns are lying about this, and/or the crèche records are in error to a serious extent i.e. false.

This conclusion is based on a flawed premise – namely, that parents signed children out (e.g. from the Mini Club), walked their children to the Tapas area, then High Tea was undertaken.

Kate's book says she went for a run that ended at the Tapas area around 5.30pm with Gerry and the 3 children already at High Tea.  The crèche records show the McCann children were signed out around then, with Kate signing both forms.

In Mr Hall's version, Gerry signs the 3 children out before High Tea started therefore it should be his signature on both forms.  Mr Hall does not address the issue of timing directly, simply relying on one statement that there was conviviality at the High Tea that day, and at least some of the participants seemed to have stayed after 5.30pm.

Mr Hall makes a further odd assumption, albeit minor.  On 3rd May, he suggests that Gerry would have taken the long route to get from the Mini Club to the High Tea.  At that point in the holiday, the short route had been discovered.

There are 2 options for the short route.  Thanks to G-Unit's prodding in another thread, I have some confidence in which alternative was taken, by the McCanns at drop off/pick up times, and by the nannies to get the children to High Tea, and that happens to have importance elsewhere.

The crèche records are at http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm

On 3 May, these show Ella O'Brien being signed out at 4.30pm, and she would then go to the beach with the T7, and miss that day's High Tea.

The bottom entry is for William Totman, and I interpret the squiggle in the time signed out as 5.15.  Check for yourself.  If I'm right, that means he attended High Tea but was one of the first to finish.  Cat Baker could not be both at the crèche and at High Tea at 5.15, so if this entry is valid, William took High Tea.

One child, Alexander Mann, was signed out at 5.30pm, as per Madeleine.  This suggests to me that the High Tea ended around 5.30pm, and more or less anything that might have gone on afterwards was simply parents socialising, as per Mr Raj Balu's statement.

Mr Hall thinks the records and Kate's book are in such disagreement that one must consider lying and/or forgery.

My opinion is that the records, statements, and Kate's book are in harmony, and that Mr Hall is applying very faulty logic.

One final option is that the crèche records are erroneous or forged to a lesser or greater extent, but this is already a long post, so I will leave that to another day.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1317 on: April 02, 2016, 09:04:05 AM »
Crèche records 1

In the first part of 'When Madeleine Died?', Mr Hall questions whether Madeleine attended High Tea on Thu 3 May, and raises the possibility that the McCanns are lying about this, and/or the crèche records are in error to a serious extent i.e. false.

This conclusion is based on a flawed premise – namely, that parents signed children out (e.g. from the Mini Club), walked their children to the Tapas area, then High Tea was undertaken.

Kate's book says she went for a run that ended at the Tapas area around 5.30pm with Gerry and the 3 children already at High Tea.  The crèche records show the McCann children were signed out around then, with Kate signing both forms.

In Mr Hall's version, Gerry signs the 3 children out before High Tea started therefore it should be his signature on both forms.  Mr Hall does not address the issue of timing directly, simply relying on one statement that there was conviviality at the High Tea that day, and at least some of the participants seemed to have stayed after 5.30pm.

Mr Hall makes a further odd assumption, albeit minor.  On 3rd May, he suggests that Gerry would have taken the long route to get from the Mini Club to the High Tea.  At that point in the holiday, the short route had been discovered.

There are 2 options for the short route.  Thanks to G-Unit's prodding in another thread, I have some confidence in which alternative was taken, by the McCanns at drop off/pick up times, and by the nannies to get the children to High Tea, and that happens to have importance elsewhere.

The crèche records are at http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm

On 3 May, these show Ella O'Brien being signed out at 4.30pm, and she would then go to the beach with the T7, and miss that day's High Tea.

The bottom entry is for William Totman, and I interpret the squiggle in the time signed out as 5.15.  Check for yourself.  If I'm right, that means he attended High Tea but was one of the first to finish.  Cat Baker could not be both at the crèche and at High Tea at 5.15, so if this entry is valid, William took High Tea.

One child, Alexander Mann, was signed out at 5.30pm, as per Madeleine.  This suggests to me that the High Tea ended around 5.30pm, and more or less anything that might have gone on afterwards was simply parents socialising, as per Mr Raj Balu's statement.

Mr Hall thinks the records and Kate's book are in such disagreement that one must consider lying and/or forgery.

My opinion is that the records, statements, and Kate's book are in harmony, and that Mr Hall is applying very faulty logic.

One final option is that the crèche records are erroneous or forged to a lesser or greater extent, but this is already a long post, so I will leave that to another day.

This may help with the bolded bit;

at the end of the afternoon session the Nannies would bring them up on a little kind of plastic chain, all the kids would sort of hold onto a thing”.
1578    “Yes”.
 Reply    “And they would walk them through that garden I described on Tuesday and they’d come across the road and go to high tea about five o’clock.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1318 on: April 02, 2016, 12:51:04 PM »
IMO you have completely missed the point which was not about whether Dr Payne sat down or not - but was about blonk's genuine but mistaken recollection of what Dr Payne had said.

The idea that the same fallibility of memory,  (which the police know is a fact of life)  - cannot be applied to people in the McCann case makes no sense whatsoever IMO.

You can't use that in this situation - inside or outside, 30 seconds or 3 minutes or not remembering one wearing a towel only hours before Madeleine was reported to be missing. That is a total contradiction between two witnesses and must be thoroughly investigated.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2016, 12:54:48 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1319 on: April 02, 2016, 02:11:19 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
*snipped*
(referring to previous statement)

DCF: On Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, it says here that you got on well, that he communicated easily, he was fun, he talked to you about golf which was his favourite sport, that he wanted to improve his tennis during the week. On Sunday or Monday he twisted his ankle, but managed to keep on playing, and on Sunday morning he only played tennis with Kate, that you saw them both playing sport and they passed by you at the bar on the beach and this was Sunday or Monday at about mid day.