Why are some people so averse to parental involvement in this case

[ShiningInLuz]

How do you figure that out if Matt went to reception at 10.10pm?   Did he explicitly state that Gerry did not tell him to go?

What?

I don't care when Matt went to reception.  The point is he did not ensure that the police were called, according to him.

His statement also has the following "Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police." Does it matter?

And why are you asking me to x-ref to statements, when I made it clear I had not yet x-refed to statements?

Kate's book has 3 visits to the OC reception, and gives the impression that both the GNR and the PJ were tardy in responding.  The reality is different.

[Alfred R Jones]

What?

I don't care when Matt went to reception.  The point is he did not ensure that the police were called, according to him.

His statement also has the following "Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police." Does it matter?

And why are you asking me to x-ref to statements, when I made it clear I had not yet x-refed to statements?

Kate's book has 3 visits to the OC reception, and gives the impression that both the GNR and the PJ were tardy in responding.  The reality is different.

If the first course of action was to go to reception to get them to phone the police then how do you arrive at the conclusion that their prioity was roadblocks and sealed borders?  In any case how do you achieve this without first enlisting the support of the police?  I'm surprised you "don't care" when Matt went to reception, you seem to have an inordinate amount of interest in most of the minutiae of this case.

[Benice]

At this moment the number is in the Ocean Club paperwork. They were able to borrow a laptop to e mail Sky News but not to ask anyone for the emergency services telephone number? Strange priorities.

I don't see any connection between the two.   They all thought the police had already been called from Reception at Matts request  - (but apparently they had not been)  - and the email was something which was sent some time after they thought the police had been called.       

The Emergency services telephone no. would be irrelevant to them once they believed (as they did) that the police had already been called from Reception.

Two completely separate events and nothing to do with priorities  - 'strange' or otherwise. IMO.

[ShiningInLuz]

If the first course of action was to go to reception to get them to phone the police then how do you arrive at the conclusion that their prioity was roadblocks and sealed borders?  In any case how do you achieve this without first enlisting the support of the police?  I'm surprised you "don't care" when Matt went to reception, you seem to have an inordinate amount of interest in most of the minutiae of this case.

I made clear why I don't care, but I see you have not addressed this, but tried to turn it into something else.

I also see you have not addressed the point about depicting the police response as tardy in the book.  The rogs were in English.  Did Kate miss the fact that Matthew did not insist on a phone call, or that he was asked by Fiona.  I see you have not addressed that either.

Kate says Gerry went to OC reception to check the Mini Club.  If so, why not check on the police status personally, instead of supposedly asking Matthew.  I see you have not addressed this.

So, in summary, you are not addressing the points raised by Kate's book.  And Kate's book paints a picture quite different to the reality of the case.  The latter I care about.  How about you?

[Alfred R Jones]

I made clear why I don't care, but I see you have not addressed this, but tried to turn it into something else.

I also see you have not addressed the point about depicting the police response as tardy in the book.  The rogs were in English.  Did Kate miss the fact that Matthew did not insist on a phone call, or that he was asked by Fiona.  I see you have not addressed that either.

Kate says Gerry went to OC reception to check the Mini Club.  If so, why not check on the police status personally, instead of supposedly asking Matthew.  I see you have not addressed this.

So, in summary, you are not addressing the points raised by Kate's book.  And Kate's book paints a picture quite different to the reality of the case.  The latter I care about.  How about you?

Your "points" are all non-points IMO.  You seem to be expecting Kate to criticise Matt in her book for not standing over reception whilst simultaneously berating them until they called the police.  Well she didn't so address your perplexing points to her.  In the meantime It was you who made the claim that the group cared more about roadblocks and closing ports than calling the police and it is that comment which I'm challenging.  If you don't like the question you can always ignore it, that's what most people seem to do when I ask questions they cannot or don't want to answer.

[Alfred R Jones]

Surely that is the kind of information you would go abroad with, in case of emergencies  &%+((£

and don't forget they were writing their time lines as well.

I'm going to three non European countries this year and have no idea what the emergency number is or are, nor would it occur to me to find out in advance, I guess I'm not the worrying type.

[Alfred R Jones]

At this moment the number is in the Ocean Club paperwork. They were able to borrow a laptop to e mail Sky News but not to ask anyone for the emergency services telephone number? Strange priorities.

They asked someone on the OC staff to phone, why is that strange?

[carlymichelle]

They asked someone on the OC staff to phone, why is that strange?

if they were going to a area  that speaks   portugese shouldnt they have learnt  a  few  words before they went there?  ie emergancy    etc  for  example alot of australians     go to indonesia most australians speak some indonesion   

[Eleanor]

if they were going to a area  that speaks   portugese shouldnt they have learnt  a  few  words before they went there?  ie emergancy    etc  for  example alot of australians     go to indonesia most australians speak some indonesion

Having lived in France for fifteen years, I had no idea of the emergency number until I got involved with this case.  Probably because I don't see emergencies looming.

[Alfred R Jones]

if they were going to a area  that speaks   portugese shouldnt they have learnt  a  few  words before they went there?  ie emergancy    etc  for  example alot of australians     go to indonesia most australians speak some indonesion

So tell us what's "help, I think my 3 year old daughter's been abducted from our holiday apartment, we're staying in The Ocean Club Holiday apartment number 5a, come quick" in Indonesian?

[carlymichelle]

So tell us what's "help, I think my 3 year old daughter's been abducted from our holiday apartment, we're staying in The Ocean Club Holiday apartment number 5a, come quick" in Indonesian?

i didnt  say i speak it i said most australians  do

[ShiningInLuz]

Your "points" are all non-points IMO.  You seem to be expecting Kate to criticise Matt in her book for not standing over reception whilst simultaneously berating them until they called the police.  Well she didn't so address your perplexing points to her.  In the meantime It was you who made the claim that the group cared more about roadblocks and closing ports than calling the police and it is that comment which I'm challenging.  If you don't like the question you can always ignore it, that's what most people seem to do when I ask questions they cannot or don't want to answer.

I am aware of the way your opinion works, and I gave up on influencing your opinion months ago.

I am more interested in influencing others on the forum.

They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether Gerry telling Matt to phone was appropriate or not. As in, why didn't Gerry do this himself?  And did Gerry ever tell Matt to do this, or was it Jane?
They can, and will, make up their own minds about why Gerry supposedly went to the Mini Club, but seemingly did not emphasise the need to call, or even check if a call had been made.
They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether roadblocks and border controls loomed larger than the simple need to get police on site.

I have made up mine.  It is up to others to make their own evaluation.

[carlymichelle]

I am aware of the way your opinion works, and I gave up on influencing your opinion months ago.

I am more interested in influencing others on the forum.

They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether Gerry telling Matt to phone was appropriate or not. As in, why didn't Gerry do this himself?  And did Gerry ever tell Matt to do this, or was it Jane?
They can, and will, make up their own minds about why Gerry supposedly went to the Mini Club, but seemingly did not emphasise the need to call, or even check if a call had been made.
They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether roadblocks and border controls loomed larger than the simple need to get police on site.

I have made up mine.  It is up to others to make their own evaluation.

exactly alfie trys to control what others think it  doesnt go down  well

[Alfred R Jones]

I am aware of the way your opinion works, and I gave up on influencing your opinion months ago.

I am more interested in influencing others on the forum.

They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether Gerry telling Matt to phone was appropriate or not. As in, why didn't Gerry do this himself?  And did Gerry ever tell Matt to do this, or was it Jane?
They can, and will, make up their own minds about why Gerry supposedly went to the Mini Club, but seemingly did not emphasise the need to call, or even check if a call had been made.
They can, and will, make up their own minds about whether roadblocks and border controls loomed larger than the simple need to get police on site.

I have made up mine.  It is up to others to make their own evaluation.

Why are you interested in influencing others' opinion?  Sounds a bit sinister to me.  You're on a hiding to nothing anyway, minds were made up years ago.

[ShiningInLuz]

So tell us what's "help, I think my 3 year old daughter's been abducted from our holiday apartment, we're staying in The Ocean Club Holiday apartment number 5a, come quick" in Indonesian?

"bantuan, saya pikir anak saya berusia 3 tahun telah diculik dari apartemen liburan kami, kami tinggal di The Ocean Club Holiday nomor apartemen 5a, datang cepat"

Not a reasonable test, though, as 'posh' words in English and Portuguese come from Latin, and so are very similar in languages with a root in Latin.  If two medical doctors did not know this, then please keep them off my case.

Abduction <-> abducção (which when pronounced sounds pretty close to abdooction).
Apartment <-> apartamento.