Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[pathfinder73]

It sounds as though Gerry thought the person had called the police.

He had a phone. He was using it a lot once the police arrived and telling everyone about the abductor. He didn't even tell Mrs Fenn it was his own daughter that had gone missing. A little girl has gone missing. Some refer to that as distancing &%+((£

[Lace]

How did he enter the apartment? Where was he when he heard Gerry coming? Would he have heard him when he was outside the patio doors or only when he slid them open? If the shutters were up and the window open when Matt checked why didn't he notice? Kate found the shutters, window and curtains open, remember. The curtains were closed according to Matt.

The abductor would have heard the patio doors opening,   or he could have had an accomplice who warned him.

Matt did say the room seemed light he thought it was because the moon was out,   would he be looking to see if the window was open.   It seems to me he just glanced in quickly and left.

[Lace]

Didn't he stand looking down on his daughter & thinking how lucky was - while all the time abductorman was holding his breath while standing in a non-existent space behind the door ?
If so, why should he check his bedroom?

As I said he could have slipped back through the front door.   I didn't say anything about him being behind the door.

[jassi]

The abductor would have heard the patio doors opening,   or he could have had an accomplice who warned him.

Matt did say the room seemed light he thought it was because the moon was out,   would he be looking to see if the window was open.  It seems to me he just glanced in quickly and left.

Yes, so quick that  he didn't even spare the time to check if Madeleine was present.

[jassi]

As I said he could have slipped back through the front door.  I didn't say anything about him being behind the door.

It wasn't you that I was quoting and replying to.

[pathfinder73]

As I said he could have slipped back through the front door.   I didn't say anything about him being behind the door.

Matt was listening outside that window only minutes before Gerry left. There was definitely no open window on Gerry's check! Imagine his proud father moment with whooshing curtains  Next.

[jassi]

Did Matt say if he checked on his own children at 9.30 ish, as it would  have meant entering 5A through the sliding doors, then retracing his steps and then going round the building to get to his own door. Does he mention that, anywhere?

[Lace]

Matt was listening outside that window only minutes before Gerry left. There was definitely no open window on Gerry's check! Imagine his proud father moment with whooshing curtains  Next.

Matthew says he listened outside the children's window then went back to the OC and then  Gerry went to check.

[pathfinder73]

Did Matt say if he checked on his own children at 9.30 ish, as it would  have meant entering 5A through the sliding doors, then retracing his steps and then going round the building to get to his own door. Does he mention that, anywhere?

Matt checked on his first then went to Russell's and checked 5A last using the car park route to the side gate before entering.

[pathfinder73]

Matthew says he listened outside the children's window then went back to the OC and then  Gerry went to check.

Yes read his rog. Gerry was gone a long time. I investigate the timeline to every minute and there's unaccounted time.

"Back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check ." MO

[Lace]

Yes read his rog. Gerry was gone a long time. I investigate the timeline to every minute.

"Back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check ." MO

He needed the loo and he stopped to talk to Jes.

[pathfinder73]

He needed the loo and he stopped to talk to Jes.

Jes/Gerry said 3 or 4 minutes brief chat. Jane left nearly 10 minutes after Gerry because they were talking at the table why has had been so long and Kate said he was probably watching football. Gerry said he was in the apartment for only 2/3 miniutes. If he wasn't watching footy he was doing something else.

"He adds that he never entered any other part of the residence [his bedroom or the kitchen] where he was for only two or three minutes leaving yet again through the rear door that he closed but did not lock.." GM 10 May

[Alfred R Jones]

The above are one part of the many problems with the story, not the totality. The problems create doubt not guilt

I find it laughable that people are ignorant of the fact that four people were told during the night of 3rd/4th May that the apartment had been broken into. People were woken up in the middle of the night to be told. They were told the front door was lying open, not the bedroom door.

Perhaps you can explain who moved that bedroom door between 8.30pm and 9.05pm? It wasn't crecheman, No-one was hiding in the apartment during Gerry's visit. It is said to have moved again by the time Matt checked. Who did that? It wasn't the 'abductor because the shutters were closed. Don't congratulate yourself on your cleverness unless you can explain that without resorting to opinion or imagination.

So in other words, don't say anything unless you were actually there and witnessed the door moving.  Wow.  So, you're  free to raise your doubts and imply guilt left right and centre but McCann supporters must keep quiet unless they actually witnessed events first hand.  That's reasonable.  Not!!!

[Alfred R Jones]

Cut from the PJ Final Report which apparently, according to another thread here, nailed the time line accurately.

"The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness JANE TANNER (horizontal)".

Yes, it was tight, but as we now know from the Met's reappraisal of all the information and feeding it into HOLMES they have identified a window of opportunity for an abductor to have taken her.

[pathfinder73]

Yes, it was tight, but as we now know from the Met's reappraisal of all the information and feeding it into HOLMES they have identified a window of opportunity for an abductor to have taken her.

And I've just shown you it.