Author Topic: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?  (Read 185950 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2016, 07:21:16 PM »
Hmm.  I wonder why Kate's book seems to be quite at odds with this?  Roughly speaking, around 11pm, a woman above asked what the noise was, and when told what had happened, gave a neutral response, offered no help, and "I recall that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Were there two women appearing above?

Did she say 11pm so meaning after the 10:41 call? It was just after news at 10 had finished before they called the police. They do have strange timelines  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2016, 07:23:36 PM »
Did she say 11pm so meaning after the 10:41 call? It was just after news at 10 had finished before they called the police. They do have strange timelines  @)(++(*

it doesnt   take a genius to know what kate said to mrs fenn does it?? @)(++(*

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2016, 07:25:55 PM »
it doesnt   take a genius to know what kate said to mrs fenn does it?? @)(++(*

She is now saying Plummy asked after they called the police by saying 11pm. Amazing if people can't see what is happening here  8(0(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2016, 07:27:14 PM »
And I've just shown you it.
What have you just shown me?

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2016, 07:27:36 PM »
She is now saying Plummy asked after they called the police by saying 11pm. Amazing if people can't see what is happening here  8(0(*

plummy also heard  maddie crying for   75 minutes didnt  she??

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2016, 07:27:59 PM »
What have you just shown me?

The opportunity and unaccounted time from a suspect.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2016, 07:28:21 PM »
Yes, it was tight, but as we now know from the Met's reappraisal of all the information and feeding it into HOLMES they have identified a window of opportunity for an abductor to have taken her.

Just what do you think HOLMES is?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2016, 07:28:43 PM »
The opportunity and unaccounted time from a suspect.
I don't know what that means, kindly spell it out in words that we can all understand.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2016, 07:29:53 PM »
Just what do you think HOLMES is?
I think it's this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOLMES_2
Now you tell me what you think it is.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2016, 07:39:16 PM »
I think it's this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOLMES_2
Now you tell me what you think it is.

What is says in your link and what I posted about it a few weeks ago on this very forum
It is a management system.
It does not solve crimes. It's a big fast dumb adding machine that knows FA til you tell it something. If you tell it the sun rises in the west it will believe you but thereafter if you say the sun rises in the east it will tell you you are wrong.
GI=GO
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #115 on: February 10, 2016, 07:46:49 PM »
I don't know what that means, kindly spell it out in words that we can all understand.

I don't believe you. You have to get somebody away from the crime scene before the alarm is raised. So you go back from the alarm to find those opportunities. A checker or anyone seen close by is a suspect because they have the opportunity but anybody with unaccounted time becomes a prime suspect. If they can't account for their time then they'd better do it quick! Two checkers looked inside that room because of the door position. One didn't because he didn't know what position the door was supposed to be. Matt saw it half-open and so did Emma Knight.

"The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #116 on: February 10, 2016, 08:09:53 PM »
Let's imagine that a little girl disappears from her bed while on holiday.  On discovering her missing her parents believe she has been abducted because her bedroom window was open.

A day later the press are printing that the investigation has let it be known that the parents are lying and that the abduction scene has been fabricated.

What impression does that give??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #117 on: February 10, 2016, 08:10:41 PM »
What is says in your link and what I posted about it a few weeks ago on this very forum
It is a management system.
It does not solve crimes. It's a big fast dumb adding machine that knows FA til you tell it something. If you tell it the sun rises in the west it will believe you but thereafter if you say the sun rises in the east it will tell you you are wrong.
GI=GO
If it solved crimes the crime would be solved.  It is however a bit more than the electric abacus and filing cabinet you believe it to be.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #118 on: February 10, 2016, 08:13:35 PM »
HOLMES employs computational intelligence. 

The methods used are close to the human’s way of reasoning, i.e. it uses non exact and non-complete knowledge, and it is able to produce control actions in an adaptive way. CI therefore uses a combination of 5 main complementary techniques.[1] The fuzzy logic which enables the computer to understand natural language,[2][3] artificial neural networks which permits the system to learn experiential data by operating like the biological one, evolutionary computing which is based on the process of natural selection, learning theory, and probabilistic methods which helps dealing with uncertainty imprecision.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_intelligence

So perhaps a little more sophisticated than Alice"s ZX Spectrum.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2016, 08:15:06 PM »
I don't believe you. You have to get somebody away from the crime scene before the alarm is raised. So you go back from the alarm to find those opportunities. A checker or anyone seen close by is a suspect because they have the opportunity but anybody with unaccounted time becomes a prime suspect. If they can't account for their time then they'd better do it quick! Two checkers looked inside that room because of the door position. One didn't because he didn't know what position the door was supposed to be. Matt saw it half-open and so did Emma Knight.

"The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm
What don't you believe?  That I find most of your posts impossible to follow?  Well sorry to tell you but it's true and this one is no exception.