Sadie's theory.

[sadie]

Apart from Carana who sometimes posts relevant information worth reading and debates like  someone really interested in the case. The rest of the supporters have nothing worth reading which would try to influence my point of view of which you have no notion of knowing.

You have claimed victim status by 'having to let people know you have   a faith and are not a religious nutter- when no one claimed you were.

Back on topic. Accusing Jews of stealing MBM without any evidence of such a claim is in my opinion a racist .

Oh, dear, dear, dear .... as a Jew myself !!!      (well 40% on my Mums side.  Dunno about my Dads side but like elements in both unusual names appear to have Jewish links.  DNA done.   Always thought I was a WASP until my research seemed to show other things.  Undertook the DNA tests and bingo, I was right !

Actually if you ever bothered to read what I have been saying, I am thinking Jewish, Greek, PHOENICIAN and Cannaanite.  Also a few more Middle Eastern groups were involved in the early trafficking and piracy, and lets not forget the Scandinavians (who in ancient times were classified as German)
Oh and incidentally, I dont think that i have ever accused anyone of anything, so please get your facts right if you dont mind.

Cheers 

I am in the early days of this research atm.  There is so much more to do that i think I am likely to die before I finish it

[Brietta]

Hi Faith

So where has the March 2014 Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch Video vanished to?

The above Youtube Video was the second of the two special Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch programs.  The first in Oct 2013 is still available.

To remind posters and readers, the missing March 2014 Crimewatch program had a sequence in the main Operations room for Operation Grange [Belgravia Police Station].  This sequence started at about 3.49 on the video and at the back of the room was a very large set of bookshelves full of box-folders.  All the folders bar two were beige coloured.

On the top shelf, in prime position right in the middle (and in splendid isolation in a "sea " of beige) was a lilac coloured folder, exactly the same as the largest one I sent in.  On the second or third shelf down towards the RH end was a dark folder which I surmised might be Bennetts folder.


Additionally the camera picked up an officer walking towards the camera carrying a slimmer lilac transparent folder, which was also mine.  When massively enlarged it showed my scrawly writing on the label and the unusual black edged punch pockets that i had used inside .... and a background voice simultaneously said

**** "This careful analysis has led to an important discovery ****


I am sure some of you will recall the above scene in the Operations Room of Operation Grange.
Well it has GONE now, seemingly wiped off the internet

I ask again:

*** So where has the March 2014 Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch video vanished to? ***

Starting at appx 2:58 I can see the footage you describe, Sadie.

[misty]

Hi Faith

So where has the March 2014 Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch Video vanished to?

The above Youtube Video was the second of the two special Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch programs.  The first in Oct 2013 is still available.

To remind posters and readers, the missing March 2014 Crimewatch program had a sequence in the main Operations room for Operation Grange [Belgravia Police Station].  This sequence started at about 3.49 on the video and at the back of the room was a very large set of bookshelves full of box-folders.  All the folders bar two were beige coloured.

On the top shelf, in prime position right in the middle (and in splendid isolation in a "sea " of beige) was a lilac coloured folder, exactly the same as the largest one I sent in.  On the second or third shelf down towards the RH end was a dark folder which I surmised might be Bennetts folder.


Additionally the camera picked up an officer walking towards the camera carrying a slimmer lilac transparent folder, which was also mine.  When massively enlarged it showed my scrawly writing on the label and the unusual black edged punch pockets that i had used inside .... and a background voice simultaneously said

**** "This careful analysis has led to an important discovery ****


I am sure some of you will recall the above scene in the Operations Room of Operation Grange.
Well it has GONE now, seemingly wiped off the internet

I ask again:

*** So where has the March 2014 Madeleine Mccann Crimewatch video vanished to? ***

Is this what you're looking for, Sadie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmedQyWbVfI

[sadie]

I agree, that is why I said comprehensive theory.

Oh Gawd, I have worked out so many theories and this thread is a jumble of some of the minor ones..

On here, I haven't even touched my main theory that went to SY.  I haven't opened that massive script to you ...soz, am unable to.   But a number of you will be pleased to know that I have slowed down a great deal.

I have done my duty and passed on the main stuff.  Now I can spend time investigating my origins ... and catching up with friends who I have sorely neglected


Sorry that I am unable to email my friends on here because once again my NEW computer has been compromised .... and i am not in the business of passing on viruses, Malware and bugs etc.   I miss our chats   

(((((HUGS))))) to you all.

[sadie]

Starting at appx 2:58 I can see the footage you describe, Sadie.

Goodness me, both you Brie and misty have found diferent copies

Yours is :  http://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI
mistys is:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmedQyWbVfI

Both copies and a bit faint with colours that are not so good, but am very pleased to see that there is still a copy availabe.  Well done, both of you. 

Are they both made by bonafide copyists, do you know?  (So many fakes around, videos that have bits added or removed.)

I can see that mistys copy has only been played 7 times, so it must be new.  Dunno about your copy Brie.  If there is any way that you can ensure they are not wiped as the original, can you please put that in place.. TY

Hubby asleep so cant put the sound on but I guess the words are still the same and synchronize with the actions correctly.

Thank you both.  What it is to have good friends.    *&(+(+

[sadie]

Then imo you do not understand  the evidence... IMO amaral had no more evidence to support it than  Sadie

I believe that i have considerably more evidence than Amaral. 

[misty]

Oh Gawd, I have worked out so many theories and this thread is a jumble of some of the minor ones..

On here, I haven't even touched my main theory that went to SY.  I haven't opened that massive script to you ...soz, am unable to.   But a number of you will be pleased to know that I have slowed down a great deal.

I have done my duty and passed on the main stuff.  Now I can spend time investigating my origins ... and catching up with friends who I have sorely neglected


Sorry that I am unable to email my friends on here because once again my NEW computer has been compromised .... and i am not in the business of passing on viruses, Malware and bugs etc.   I miss our chats   

(((((HUGS))))) to you all.

I advise installing a decent anti-virus software like Norton & when you get an email you are unsure about, right-click on it instead of opening & go to "view message source". That way you can check the sender's full addy & pathway to gauge if it is authentic. Hugs to you, too.

[sadie]

I believe Sadie has always gone with the stolen to order theory but there really isn't anything to support it. No child smugglers have ever been identified as operating on the Algarve in 2007 and no reports of suspicious foreign gangs loitering around the Luz area.  The location of Luz too is not ideal for a quick escape to Spain or North Africa, there really only is one main east west corridor, the A22 motorway, and the risk of that being blocked by GNR patrols would have been too great IMO as once you're on it there is no turning back.  Personally I just don't buy it.

Before Madeleine vanished, several people reported a man watching 5A.

I think that she probably travelled the first part of her journey by boat and the second part by van ... and I think that she went up to the Porto area .... and that is where the first missing, thought to have been abducted, children vanished from: Starting with Jorge Sepulveda way back in 1991.  Porto, where in, or about, 1999 and after 5 abductions, a man was picked up according to a report that I read.  He was the son of an elite and he was given a talking to and released. 

Jeez, he was released .... just like that !  But, hey, he was the son of an elite!

That info has vanished long ago from the internet, but a poster called Catkins confirmed that she had seen a similar sort of report as well.

After the police intervention, there were no more mainland Portugal abductions of pre-pubescent children until girls started going missing in the Algarve region.  Then Joana Cipriano, Carolina Santos and finally Madeleine, all in the space of less than 3 years and all within about 20 miles of each other


My man has connections in both the Porto and the Algarve region and would have spent time in each

[sadie]

Have you any evidence of a getaway vehicle Sadie? I think most abductions start there. How did they make Madeleine disappear? She didn't disappear in my theory but was seen by eye witnesses and that is actual real evidence!

IMO I have real evidence. 

Do you KNOW that Smithman was carrying Madeleine?
Do you KNOW who Smithman definitely is ?

No you dont.

[Gertrude]

You want once again to ignore the evidence of the experts who visited Luz......they were quite clear an abduction was possible...SY have said based on teh evidence they believe an abduction was possible...The PJ have said abduction is possible...

 No I have not ignored it at all. I said that just because it could happen doesn't mean on the scale of probability that it was what happened or what most likely happened.

   I did say the experts in dispatch programme were hindered as they will never be shown discussing the parental involvement theory. They start the programme saying they have 3 theories. None of which include the last people seen with Madeleiene - family and friends. So they are not looking at all possibilities.  It's quite obvious from the transcript of the programme that they are avoiding the parental involvement theory, probably due to legalities.

"DB: We just don't know what has happened because we haven't got the hard physical evidence. I think we can realise that the two ends of the spectrum are now vanishingly small. That she wandered off by herself and is alive and well somewhere, or that some organised gang took her. It's a strange place for them to take a child from. But we don't know whether she met some harm within the immediate family circle either accidentally or deliberate or whether somebody in the area did break in through either the child's bedroom window or the sliding doors and took her. It would be a really bizarre and strange crime if that took place but bizarre and strange crimes do happen.
 
DC: We know from very many studies that, if the family's not involved in the disappearance of a child, then it's very likely indeed that it's somebody relatively local. Somebody who's seen the child before, who knows the local situation, who knows the possibilities for getting in and getting out; away with a child. So, to my mind, that's the most likely possibility."

(Bolded bits are my emphasis)

 They are only discussing 'If the family's not involved', although they say they don't know whether she did meet with harm within the family circle.  Unfortunately most cases where a young child is missing, do feature parental involvement. Neither do the experts on 'dispatches' look at how the different theories fit in with the given timeline. Again because they seem to be limited on what they can and can't question by the legalities.  So you have a programme looking at HOW certain theories may have planned out and NOT the probability of them occurring.

   I believe all theories should be looked at and I hope that's what Scotland Yard have been doing in a full and systematic manner.









 

[Robittybob1]

No I have not ignored it at all. I said that just because it could happen doesn't mean on the scale of probability that it was what happened or what most likely happened.

   I did say the experts in dispatch programme were hindered as they will never be shown discussing the parental involvement theory. They start the programme saying they have 3 theories. None of which include the last people seen with Madeleiene - family and friends. So they are not looking at all possibilities.  It's quite obvious from the transcript of the programme that they are avoiding the parental involvement theory, probably due to legalities.

"DB: We just don't know what has happened because we haven't got the hard physical evidence. I think we can realise that the two ends of the spectrum are now vanishingly small. That she wandered off by herself and is alive and well somewhere, or that some organised gang took her. It's a strange place for them to take a child from. But we don't know whether she met some harm within the immediate family circle either accidentally or deliberate or whether somebody in the area did break in through either the child's bedroom window or the sliding doors and took her. It would be a really bizarre and strange crime if that took place but bizarre and strange crimes do happen.
 
DC: We know from very many studies that, if the family's not involved in the disappearance of a child, then it's very likely indeed that it's somebody relatively local. Somebody who's seen the child before, who knows the local situation, who knows the possibilities for getting in and getting out; away with a child. So, to my mind, that's the most likely possibility."

(Bolded bits are my emphasis)

 They are only discussing 'If the family's not involved', although they say they don't know whether she did meet with harm within the family circle.  Unfortunately most cases where a young child is missing, do feature parental involvement. Neither do the experts on 'dispatches' look at how the different theories fit in with the given timeline. Again because they seem to be limited on what they can and can't question by the legalities.  So you have a programme looking at HOW certain theories may have planned out and NOT the probability of them occurring.

   I believe all theories should be looked at and I hope that's what Scotland Yard have been doing in a full and systematic manner.

The Dispatches documentary has always been a great help to me https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE

[John]

Before Madeleine vanished, several people reported a man watching 5A.

I think that she probably travelled the first part of her journey by boat and the second part by van ... and I think that she went up to the Porto area .... and that is where the first missing, thought to have been abducted, children vanished from: Starting with Jorge Sepulveda way back in 1991.  Porto, where in, or about, 1999 and after 5 abductions, a man was picked up according to a report that I read.  He was the son of an elite and he was given a talking to and released. 

Jeez, he was released .... just like that !  But, hey, he was the son of an elite!

That info has vanished long ago from the internet, but a poster called Catkins confirmed that she had seen a similar sort of report as well.

After the police intervention, there were no more mainland Portugal abductions of pre-pubescent children until girls started going missing in the Algarve region.  Then Joana Cipriano, Carolina Santos and finally Madeleine, all in the space of less than 3 years and all within about 20 miles of each other


My man has connections in both the Porto and the Algarve region and would have spent time in each

Joana Cipriano was murdered by her uncle and the alleged attempted abduction of Carolina Santos was a questionable event since it was broad daylight and she never left the street.  So in reality there are no confirmed abductions of very young children in this region of Portugal.

[sadie]

I advise installing a decent anti-virus software like Norton & when you get an email you are unsure about, right-click on it instead of opening & go to "view message source". That way you can check the sender's full addy & pathway to gauge if it is authentic. Hugs to you, too.

Thanks misty, but I already have Norton and it appears to make no difference!  Am daily running virus cleaners such as CCleaner and they find and delete loads of stuff. [Virus might not be the correct word].   I am no techno when it comes to computers and dont even know the correct words to express myself.

Will try the right clicking and going to * view message source*... Thanks

[slartibartfast]

Thanks misty, but I already have Norton and it appears to make no difference!  Am daily running virus cleaners such as CCleaner and they find and delete loads of stuff. [Virus might not be the correct word].   I am no techno when it comes to computers and dont even know the correct words to express myself.

Will try the right clicking and going to * view message source*... Thanks

CCleaner isn’t an anti virus, it is very good at removing junk that is left on your computer during normal operations. The clues in the name cleans a load of C***.

[sadie]

Joana Cipriano was murdered by her uncle and the alleged attempted abduction of Carolina Santos was a questionable event since it was broad daylight and she never left the street.  So in reality there are no confirmed abductions of very young children in this region of Portugal.

Well I, for one do not believe in the validity of the court rulings on Leonor and Joao Cipriano.  It is based upon the word and thoughts of two men who are both criminals.  both of whom have been proven to be liars and both have made money on th backs of two missing children, by writing books based upon their, imo, crazy thoughts.

Then there is the small thing of having beaten Leonor half to blindness, with horrific bruising all over her face and body ... but according to Amaral, who is a perjurer, the torture was done after Leonor had confessed.
OK so what other reason was there for it?


Just a few of the crazy thoughts, with no proof attached to them by Amaral:
1.  Joana came home to find her Mum and Uncle "at it", so she had to be murdered.  No proof or pointers even.  UNBELIEVABLE !
2.   Joanas body was cut up and stuffed in a freezer, which was too small for it
3.   The body pieces were then taken to the piggery and fed to the pigs
ALL UNBELIEVABLE
4.   The accusation by Amaral that Leonor must have done it because she was wearing
black on a TV show about the case.  We were shown photos of her upper body to prove it.  Such nonsense.   
Further to that when we finally saw the video of the show, she was wearing bright red trousers with the black top.   IMO, that is fraudulent at worst and negligent at best ... and such a silly accusation anyway


and on the Madeleine case:
1.   Madeleines body was kept in a freezer (Another Freezer ... Gee Whizz!)
2.   The parents were swingers as were all the Tapas group .... nothing to indicate it, just a bland rumour, blackening the parents and groups names (to make them more vulnerable?  by influencing the publics perception of them?)


There are lots of other things, but soz, i was up too late last night and my mind is still half asleep.

John, The Joana Cipriano case is so weak that it is amazing that it found its way through Court.  It should have been thrown out before it even reached The Courts, but perhaps Leonor is safest in Prison.  With a brave woman like Leonor (name means lioness?) she might well be finished off if when she finally comes out, IMO, especially if she speaks her mind and reveals things about her treatment and the irregularities of the case and causes a furore.

Life (of the poorer citizens) seems cheap in Portugal.