Wandering Off Topic

[pegasus]

Are you saying that people do not enter children's bedrooms via windows ... (snip)

If it happens to be the only accessible window then it would be the most probable point of attempted entry, but obviously only if the burglars think no-one's home.

[pegasus]

... or lean through windows for the purpose of abduction?

The only portable items within leaning-in distance were bedlinen and a wicker chair.

[Robittybob1]

I don't have a theory of any kind, just pointing out that in general studying hundreds of solved cases is a way to better understand behaviour. For example there is a shutter video in which the first half (mechanisms and opening methods) fits generally with behaviour in many other cases where burglars open various doors or windows - it is predictable and well-precedented behaviour so IMO that theory is possible and even probable.  But the second half (predicted response) goes exactly against hundreds of behavioural examples in other cases and so just IMO the second half theory is impossible.

@Pegasus - Have you gone away from the option of MM being hidden in the apartment and missed during the initial search?  I see your point for I'm saying a similar thing too, in a way, but it takes the action of a human being to set it up i.e. to do the hiding etc.  A child can be hidden in a carry bag and that carry bag can be put into a shelf and therefore it looks like a piece of luggage and it doesn't register to all those many eyes as being a kid's hiding place. 

[pegasus]

@Pegasus - Have you gone away from the option of MM being hidden in the apartment and missed during the initial search?  I see your point for I'm saying a similar thing too, in a way, but it takes the action of a human being to set it up i.e. to do the hiding etc.  A child can be hidden in a carry bag and that carry bag can be put into a shelf and therefore it looks like a piece of luggage and it doesn't register to all those many eyes as being a kid's hiding place. 

Just IMO your theory you describe is impossible Robbity.
The time to start IMO is - after people went to tapas - and before anything happened - if an observant person walked once past the apartment what would they deduce?
(a) It had no people residing in it that week.
(b) It did have people residing in it that week but they were out.
(c) It did have people residing in it that week and they were in.

[Robittybob1]

Just IMO your theory you describe is impossible Robbity.
The time to start IMO is - after people went to tapas - and before anything happened - if an observant person walked once past the apartment what would they deduce?
(a) It had no people residing in it that week.
(b) It did have people residing in it that week but they were out.
(c) It did have people residing in it that week and they were in.

@ Pegasus how can you start off saying it is impossible when it has been the theory you have been promoting up till now? 
You say "The time to start IMO is - after people went to tapas - and before anything happened".   Well no doubt there was that too, but what happens after the alarm is raised?  Address my scenario and explain why it is impossible without confusing us with what could have happened prior to Kate's check please?

[Alfie]

I don't have a theory of any kind, just pointing out that in general studying hundreds of solved cases is a way to better understand behaviour. For example there is a shutter video in which the first half (mechanisms and opening methods) fits generally with behaviour in many other cases where burglars open various doors or windows - it is predictable and well-precedented behaviour so IMO that theory is possible and even probable.  But the second half (predicted response) goes exactly against hundreds of behavioural examples in other cases and so just IMO the second half theory is impossible.

Events on the night and following it would tend to strongly suggest Madeleine was not in the apartment whn the alarm was raised. Now dispute this.

[Robittybob1]

Events on the night and following it would tend to strongly suggest Madeleine was not in the apartment whn the alarm was raised. Now dispute this.

Are you going to allow alternate theories that account for the cadaver odour not being related to Madeleine but someone else?

[jassi]

Some would dispute there ever was a cadaver odour 

[Alfie]

Are you going to allow alternate theories that account for the cadaver odour not being related to Madeleine but someone else?

I don't see what that's got to do with the question I asked, but sure if you want...

[Carana]

Some would dispute there ever was a cadaver odour 

Yes, including me. The dog reacted to something within his "training parameters", but it's not clear what exactly that encompassed.

Could he have reacted to the scent of a decomposing human body? Possibly. Is there any supporting evidence? No.

Could he have reacted to the scent of decomposing human substances that did not involve a death? Yes - we already know that he would react to dried blood from a living person. What we don't know is what other decomposing human substances he would react to. Was there any evidence of whatever else that may have been? No. But not only wasn't the apartment sealed off prior to the dog's inspection, it had been let out to 4 other lots of holidaymakers. Were they all interviewed? Not according to the files, although they may have been by the UK police later.

[pegasus]

Events on the night and following it would tend to strongly suggest Madeleine was not in the apartment whn the alarm was raised. (snip)

Agreed Alfie, nothing to dispute there.

[misty]

Smithman is key to the Madeleine McCann investigation.  Scotland Yard should have put much more effort and resources into indentifying him.  At least then we would have a better idea of what really happened instead of chasing a ghost for 9 years.

SY will have accessed phone records - and not just for the night of the 3rd - which will have helped them determine the veracity of the sighting.

[pegasus]

The numbers are not redacted in the same manner as on GM's records - there would have been no need. The print out says UNKNOWN but has all the other data,

Maybe the computer that made the list had an incomplete list of country codes?

[misty]

Maybe the computer that made the list had an incomplete list of country codes?

What are the odds of that on 2 different local phone lines during the same few days?

[pegasus]

What are the odds of that on 2 different local phone lines during the same few days?

Probably near 100% if the same computer making both lists.