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Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1695 on: October 14, 2016, 11:26:12 PM »
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1977537/fears-german-maddie-mccann-may-have-been-victim-of-sick-neo-nazi-serial-killer-after-his-dna-was-found-at-her-murder-site/

DNA matching that of Uwe Boehnhardt, a member of a neo-Nazi cell, has been found on her body
BY SAM WEBB  14th October 2016, 2:51 pm
THE DNA of a dead neo-Nazi killer has been found on the body of a young German girl who went missing 15 years ago.

Mushroom pickers found the body of Peggy Knobloch, who was 9 years old when she disappeared on the way home from school in 2001 – just nine miles from the girl’s home.

Now German police have announced that DNA matching that of Uwe Boehnhardt, a member of a neo-Nazi cell, has been found on her body.

Uwe Boehnhardt, who was part of the so-called National Socialist Underground (NSU) cell that killed nine foreigners and a policewoman between, committed suicide in 2011 alongside Uwe Mundlos after police discovered their three-member cell by chance.

Peggy’s remains were found in July in a forest some 95 miles from the city of Eisenach where the pair died.

Beate Zschaepe, the lone surviving member of the cell, is currently on trial for her alleged role in the killings of eight Greeks, one Turk and a German policewoman. She broke her silence last month, telling the court that she disavowed the ideology behind the killings and condemned them.

Peggy Knobloch was nine years old when she went missing on May 7 2001, never making it home from her German primary school, with her disappearance sparking an international missing person’s search.

Despite an intense search, the young girl was never found with parallels drawn between the young Bavarian girl and missing English girl Madeleine McCann.

The young girl’s body and other items were found by a member of the public who was walking through the forest looking for mushrooms in July.

After making the devastating discovery, they immediately notified police and more than 100 police officers then descended onto the scene to search for more clues.

It is understood the bones most likely surfaced after wild animals picked up the scent of the body and excavated it.

In 2002, a man with a learning disability was accused of killing the nine-year-old girl after allegedly sexually assaulting her. He told police he had sexually abused her then killed her when she went to tell on him.

The man was jailed for life in 2004, spending his time in an psychiatric hospital before he withdrew his confession.

He was released 10 years later when the conviction was overturned.


No one has since been charged with her disappearance.

The search for the young girl spread across her village, with authorities even using military planes in the extensive hunt for clues.

A line of inquiry took authorities to the Czech Republic and to Turkey in the belief she may have been kidnapped.

Her case sparked comparisons with Madeleine McCann who was just three when she went missing from a resort in Portugal in 2007 with reports of sightings of the toddler following from around the world.

The two girls look startingly similar with their blonde hair and wide eyes.
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Proof positive that a body really is necessary to ensure the correct conviction.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1696 on: October 20, 2016, 01:49:41 PM »
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1977537/fears-german-maddie-mccann-may-have-been-victim-of-sick-neo-nazi-serial-killer-after-his-dna-was-found-at-her-murder-site/

DNA matching that of Uwe Boehnhardt, a member of a neo-Nazi cell, has been found on her body
BY SAM WEBB  14th October 2016, 2:51 pm
THE DNA of a dead neo-Nazi killer has been found on the body of a young German girl who went missing 15 years ago.

Mushroom pickers found the body of Peggy Knobloch, who was 9 years old when she disappeared on the way home from school in 2001 – just nine miles from the girl’s home.

Now German police have announced that DNA matching that of Uwe Boehnhardt, a member of a neo-Nazi cell, has been found on her body.

Uwe Boehnhardt, who was part of the so-called National Socialist Underground (NSU) cell that killed nine foreigners and a policewoman between, committed suicide in 2011 alongside Uwe Mundlos after police discovered their three-member cell by chance.

Peggy’s remains were found in July in a forest some 95 miles from the city of Eisenach where the pair died.

Beate Zschaepe, the lone surviving member of the cell, is currently on trial for her alleged role in the killings of eight Greeks, one Turk and a German policewoman. She broke her silence last month, telling the court that she disavowed the ideology behind the killings and condemned them.

Peggy Knobloch was nine years old when she went missing on May 7 2001, never making it home from her German primary school, with her disappearance sparking an international missing person’s search.

Despite an intense search, the young girl was never found with parallels drawn between the young Bavarian girl and missing English girl Madeleine McCann.

The young girl’s body and other items were found by a member of the public who was walking through the forest looking for mushrooms in July.

After making the devastating discovery, they immediately notified police and more than 100 police officers then descended onto the scene to search for more clues.

It is understood the bones most likely surfaced after wild animals picked up the scent of the body and excavated it.

In 2002, a man with a learning disability was accused of killing the nine-year-old girl after allegedly sexually assaulting her. He told police he had sexually abused her then killed her when she went to tell on him.

The man was jailed for life in 2004, spending his time in an psychiatric hospital before he withdrew his confession.

He was released 10 years later when the conviction was overturned.


No one has since been charged with her disappearance.

The search for the young girl spread across her village, with authorities even using military planes in the extensive hunt for clues.

A line of inquiry took authorities to the Czech Republic and to Turkey in the belief she may have been kidnapped.

Her case sparked comparisons with Madeleine McCann who was just three when she went missing from a resort in Portugal in 2007 with reports of sightings of the toddler following from around the world.

The two girls look startingly similar with their blonde hair and wide eyes.
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Proof positive that a body really is necessary to ensure the correct conviction.

What do you make of the murder of Jack McVitie then?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1697 on: October 20, 2016, 08:51:13 PM »
What do you make of the murder of Jack McVitie then?

Karma.

Offline xtina

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1698 on: October 26, 2016, 10:37:16 AM »
wonder if this is about to hit the papers as poor mccs being targeted again ...

genuine....or scam

https://www.gofundme.com/madelinemccann

does seem to me to be a scam.....for publicity
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1699 on: October 26, 2016, 10:46:17 AM »
wonder if this is about to hit the papers as poor mccs being targeted again ...

genuine....or scam

https://www.gofundme.com/madelinemccann

does seem to me to be a scam.....for publicity

Who do you think is doing the scamming and getting the money?

ferryman

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1700 on: October 26, 2016, 11:11:59 AM »
There does seem to be some idiot with almost £1000 to squander.

Offline xtina

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1701 on: October 26, 2016, 11:21:39 AM »
Who do you think is doing the scamming and getting the money?


 @)(++(*........no not the mccs Eleanor.....

well it is off line donations......and i doubt very much they have raised that amount in such a short time

but i do think it will hit the papers ......at a certain time....
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1702 on: October 26, 2016, 11:35:45 AM »

 @)(++(*........no not the mccs Eleanor.....

well it is off line donations......and i doubt very much they have raised that amount in such a short time

but i do think it will hit the papers ......at a certain time....

LOL ... Nigerian princes must be having to come up with bigger and better schemes to pay for their diamond earings and keeping their Jaguar vehicles roadworthy ...
They do say there is one born every minute though ... offline donations?  Hmmm ...

https://www.bbb.org/new-york-city/get-consumer-help/articles/the-nigerian-prince-old-scam-new-twist/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1703 on: October 27, 2016, 12:32:48 AM »
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/557001/Madeleine-McCann-fundraiser-probed-police-over-scam-lawsuit-against-girls-parents

Fraud cops to probe 'Maddie McCann Justice' fund
POLICE are investigating a fund aimed at having Madeleine McCann’s parents prosecuted.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 27th October 2016

A Facebook user set up a GoFundMe page he claimed was to raise £1.5million for legal action against Kate and Gerry.

Supporters had pledged £6,615 within 24 hours.
But last night police were investigating after some critical internet users branded Adam Cruz’s webpage a “scam”.

Cruz was blocked by administrators of Facebook site Madeleine McCann: Abduction or Scam even though many of its followers do not support the parents.

A message on the site said: “We do NOT endorse any post by Adam Cruz regarding a gofundme page against the McCanns and urge anyone who reads his plea to NOT donate to this.

“There was nothing to say Adam is who he said he is or indeed where any money would be going.’’

His McCanns: Private Prosecution page says: “Let’s deliver the justice Madeleine McCann deserves.”

A spokesman for the McCanns said they would not comment.

UNKNOWN: The identity of the fundraiser's creator could not be verified

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Adam Cruz Thamesfield Ward. Is that a ward at HMP Thamesfield?
I followed the link to his F/B page earlier, as supplied by a poster on Abduction or Scam(seems to have been removed now)  His profile showed quite a lot of Leicester & USA friends.

Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1704 on: November 01, 2016, 02:24:03 PM »
I don't think that I would have the patience to wade through yet another dog thread. That said, I am curious about a recent news event.

I'm aware that the following article only concerns "sniffer" dogs, which - in context - refers to S&R dogs. Nonetheless, these S&R dogs alerted to a trapped dog in the recent Italian quake. I find it wonderful that the rescue services were able to rescue the poor dog in question, but it does raise a question.

If S&R rescue dogs are trained to try to find signs of life of humans in a disaster situation, it doesn't exclude also alerting to signs of life in general (including, at least in this instance, a fellow canine).


https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/nov/01/dog-rescued-day-after-being-buried-alive-by-earthquake-in-italy-video

The question being: if dogs trained to find living humans in distress can also react to the scent of non-human living beings, then their alerts are not exclusive to humans.


Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1705 on: November 01, 2016, 02:49:54 PM »
I don't think that I would have the patience to wade through yet another dog thread. That said, I am curious about a recent news event.

I'm aware that the following article only concerns "sniffer" dogs, which - in context - refers to S&R dogs. Nonetheless, these S&R dogs alerted to a trapped dog in the recent Italian quake. I find it wonderful that the rescue services were able to rescue the poor dog in question, but it does raise a question.

If S&R rescue dogs are trained to try to find signs of life of humans in a disaster situation, it doesn't exclude also alerting to signs of life in general (including, at least in this instance, a fellow canine).


https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/nov/01/dog-rescued-day-after-being-buried-alive-by-earthquake-in-italy-video

The question being: if dogs trained to find living humans in distress can also react to the scent of non-human living beings, then their alerts are not exclusive to humans.

There would seem no reason why search & rescue dogs should be exclusive.
Their purpose is to search for signs of life, any life, in situations such as earthquakes. They obviously respond to some generic scent  that is common to humans and animals, rather than to a specific individual.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1706 on: November 01, 2016, 03:13:22 PM »
There would seem no reason why search & rescue dogs should be exclusive.
Their purpose is to search for signs of life, any life, in situations such as earthquakes. They obviously respond to some generic scent  that is common to humans and animals, rather than to a specific individual.

Yes, that would seem to be the case (at least based on this instance).

By extrapolation and in view of the number of VOCs involved in decomposing substances, many of which are common to both humans and animals, plus the fact that scientists still don't agree, an alert doesn't necessarily mean that the source of the "bouquet" in question is necessarily dead.

Offline mercury

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1707 on: November 01, 2016, 09:10:31 PM »
Yes, that would seem to be the case (at least based on this instance).

By extrapolation and in view of the number of VOCs involved in decomposing substances, many of which are common to both humans and animals, plus the fact that scientists still don't agree, an alert doesn't necessarily mean that the source of the "bouquet" in question is necessarily dead.

Dogs trained to find signs of life are not the same as dogs trained go find signs of death

Nice try though

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1708 on: November 06, 2016, 01:02:21 AM »
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Uncle tells how he killed Joana Cipriano showed how gave the child's remains to pigs. See the re-enactment of the crime that shocked Portugal tonight at 11:45 pm, on CMTV.

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Twelve years later, the jury appreciated the case Joana-Portimão girl who went missing in September 2004-still with doubts. Justice gave the case for closed-with two votes of won the judges of the Supreme Court of Justice, but still without knowing where the body of the child.
The thesis that the eight-year-old girl was sold continues to make sense in the mind of some of the jurors-who voted for conviction – and also on the neighbors, as Zulmira Ophelia, the last person to see Jeanne alive. "I don't know if they killed her [his mother and uncle]. I've never been sure, I admit that I have sold. I don't know, "says one of the judges, the CM, 12 years after the crime. "I was never convinced that they had killed the girl. Very little time has passed since I saw her, until I talked to the mother. There was no way they could have hidden the body and were so relaxed, "says the neighbor. Leonor and João Cipriano has already served two-thirds of the prison sentence to which they were condemned (16 years and eight months) and can be released soon.
The trial for murder and concealment of corpse was marked by the confession of John, who agreed to reconstitute the crime, images that now the CM reveals for the first time. The uncle of the child counted as butchered the girl and how they hid the body in a freezer. Then, says gave the remains to pigs.

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Is anyone able to upload the programme for us to view, please?
Anyone else think the programme/ release of these images is in respect of an ulterior motive?




Offline Lace

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1709 on: November 06, 2016, 09:33:39 AM »
Dogs trained to find signs of life are not the same as dogs trained go find signs of death

Nice try though

I really don't understand that.    Eddie alerted to the blood of Gerry McCann,  he was obviously alive,   so if say someone was buried due to an earthquake for instance,   surely Eddie would alert to that person whether or not the person was dead or alive?