Wandering Off Topic

[slartibartfast]

I did answer.  Not answering would have meant I didn't post at all.  I pointed out that the alleged super powers of the dogs are such that such trifles as not wearing outdoor clothes in surgery and following correct santitation procedures may not necessarily be enough to prevent cross contamination.  But I'll hold my hands up and defer to your apparent greater knowledge on the subject, so you win.  Congratulations.

Thank you.

[G-Unit]

It depends on the people involved and the circumstances and the time elapsed between the traumatic event and the normal behaviour.  We know the McCanns appeared to be behaving completely normally and in a relaxed manner prior to the alarm being raised.  We know they were quite relaxed about letting their friends go to the apartment, the alleged resting place of their dead child. We know that at the very most they would have had an hour or so to come to terms with the sudden death and decision to cover up prior to going to dinner.  Then we have to grapple with the motive for such a cover up in the event of an accidental death which occured presumably while they were still in the apartment.  It's a very big ask  to make the cadaver dog alerts work isn't it?   But apparently this scenario is absolutely no problem to you - I find that baffling.

You struggle with the idea, as would anyone. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen, however. 

[Alfie]

You struggle with the idea, as would anyone. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen, however.

So you admit it's a bit unlikely then? 

[G-Unit]

So you admit it's a bit unlikely then?

I find all the various theories have unlikely elements.

[misty]

So you are either suggesting she took scrubs on holiday or that she was so contaminated it soaked through to underclothes if worn.

Is this more myth building as per the other thread?

No. I'm actually exploring a possible reason behind an uncorroborated alert to the wardrobe area in 5a. It is clear the original investigating force did not research it before deciding that a cadaver had most definitely been in 5a.
In the Shannon Matthews case, the UK police did discover that furniture in the house had previously been in contact with a cadaver elsewhere after asking relevant questions. How likely was that particular scenario?
 Had Shannon been the victim of a real abduction, we can only speculate the direction the investigation would have followed based solely on cadaver alerts & child porn found on the computer of someone in the same residence.

[Benice]

looks like the sun is promoting this petition.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3197252/madeleine-mccann-petition-charged-child-neglect/

Pity it wasn't, to take a lie detector test.

Just out of interest  - if the McCanns took and passed a lie detector test - would you accept that as proof of their innocence?    Or would you be coming up with reasons why such a result could be wrong?

[Robittybob1]

What, up to the first floor landing?

That is how the odour could spread across a whole building.

[pathfinder73]

Yes it's pretty unbelievable that Madeleine McCann lay dead in the apartment for 2 hours prior to 10pm because that means her parents went out to dinner and for a merry time in the full knowledge that their child was dead and allowed their friends to go check on their kids whilst they were at dinner, yet you seem to think this is plausible.

This has happened many times so what is not plausible to you means nothing to real investigators. Their job is to discover the truth and nothing else should matter.

"Same as I always knew him to him to be - very outspoken, very upbeat."

I'm sure you can guess what he did before meeting his friends.

[misty]

This has happened many times so what is not plausible to you means nothing to real investigators. Their job is to discover the truth and nothing else should matter.

"Same as I always knew him to him to be - very outspoken, very upbeat."

I'm sure you can guess what he did before meeting his friends.

Killing your partner is one thing, especially if pre-meditated. Doing something awful to your own child is on another level. 

[pathfinder73]

You cannot predict how people will react after something terrible has happened. This guy hadn't changed according to his friends. He was acting his normal self after committing murder.

[misty]

You cannot predict how people will react after something terrible has happened. This guy hadn't changed according to his friends. He was acting his normal self after committing murder.

He was able to do so because the murder had gone according to plan - probably a cause for celebration as far as he was concerned. There was no-one else who could fall apart & drop him in it.

[pathfinder73]

Left the body in his van but still acting normal.

A man who beat a woman to death with a hammer after she sought money from him for an abortion was acting “completely normal” on the evening after the assault, his trial has heard.

Roy Webster (40), of Ashbree, Ashford, Co Wicklow has pleaded not guilty to murder but guilty to the manslaughter of Anne Shortall (47) on April 3rd, 2015 at The Murrough, Co Wicklow. His plea was not accepted by the State.
The Central Criminal Court on Thursday heard a statement from Mr Webster’s wife’s friend, Carmel Phibbs, which was read to the court by prosecuting counsel Paul Greene SC. Ms Phibbs said she was at the Webster home on the evening of April 3rd, 2015 when Mr Webster arrived back.
The court previously heard that earlier that day Mr Webster beat Ms Shortall to death with a hammer and left her taped up body in his van. The attack happened after she sought money for an abortion and threatened to tell his wife about a sexual encounter they had four months earlier. Patholohy reports showed she was not pregnant.

“Roy was acting completely normal,” said Ms Phibbs.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-acted-completely-normal-after-killing-woman-with-hammer-1.3013108

[Robittybob1]

But do we think the McCanns could do this?  Gerry maybe, Kate definitely no.  Could Gerry have operated behind Kate's back entirely?
That thought gives me the creeps but I can't see how it can be discounted.  So why would Amaral always be gunning for Kate?  It seems he saw the situation differently.  I'd love to know how he thought they pulled off the disappearing Madeleine magic act.

[G-Unit]

But do we think the McCanns could do this?  Gerry maybe, Kate definitely no.  Could Gerry have operated behind Kate's back entirely?
That thought gives me the creeps but I can't see how it can be discounted.  So why would Amaral always be gunning for Kate?  It seems he saw the situation differently.  I'd love to know how he thought they pulled off the disappearing Madeleine magic act.

You are missing the point. No-one can predict who these people are, that's why friends and acquaintances are surprised.

[Alfie]

Left the body in his van but still acting normal.

A man who beat a woman to death with a hammer after she sought money from him for an abortion was acting “completely normal” on the evening after the assault, his trial has heard.

Roy Webster (40), of Ashbree, Ashford, Co Wicklow has pleaded not guilty to murder but guilty to the manslaughter of Anne Shortall (47) on April 3rd, 2015 at The Murrough, Co Wicklow. His plea was not accepted by the State.
The Central Criminal Court on Thursday heard a statement from Mr Webster’s wife’s friend, Carmel Phibbs, which was read to the court by prosecuting counsel Paul Greene SC. Ms Phibbs said she was at the Webster home on the evening of April 3rd, 2015 when Mr Webster arrived back.
The court previously heard that earlier that day Mr Webster beat Ms Shortall to death with a hammer and left her taped up bodey in his van. The attack happened after she sought money for an abortion and threatened to tell his wife about a sexual encounter they had four months earlier. Patholohy reports showed she was not pregnant.

“Roy was acting completely normal,” said Ms Phibbs.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-acted-completely-normal-after-killing-woman-with-hammer-1.3013108

You are talking about a man who commited a deliberate act of murder of someone who he had no deep emotional attachment to, how is this in any way comparable?