Wandering Off Topic

[Benice]

Just to balance the situation.

'Serious corruption has happened in our justice system - and the penalties could stand to be harsher'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/serious-corruption-has-happened-in-our-justice-system-and-the-penalties-could-stand-to-be-harsher-a6694346.html

'The shocking truth about police corruption in Britain
It’s a growing problem.

But they’re hunting whistleblowers instead'

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/

You are missing the point Stephen.     No-one is claiming that our police force are free of corruption. 

However - in order to ''balance the situation''  you need to provide cites of the miscarriages of justices which have taken place in PT and which have since been admitted and redressed by the PT judiciary.

As far as I am aware there have been many instances in the UK - but not one in PT.   
IMO

[stephen25000]

You are missing the point Stephen.     No-one is claiming that our police force are free of corruption. 

However - in order to ''balance the situation''  you need to provide cites of the miscarriages of justices which have taken place in PT and which have since been admitted and redressed by the PT judiciary.

As far as I am aware there have been many instances in the UK - but not one in PT.   
IMO

The only point that is visible, is the repeated focus on Portugal.

Not hard to see why.

[Mr Gray]

The only point that is visible, is the repeated focus on Portugal.

Yes it's strange how posters keep mentioning Portugal

[Benice]

Yes it's strange how posters keep mentioning Portugal

Indeed - what possible connection could there be between corrupt Portuguese policemen and the McCann case?

[Benice]

I hope you are not implying corruption in this case.

Since that is libel.

Your wishful thinking is getting the better of you.    There is nothing libellous in referring to a Portuguese policeman connected to the McCann case who was found guilty of a crime considered to be serious enough for him to be given a suspended prison sentence and to acquire a criminal record.   That is a fact not an opinion. 

This happened in Portugal.   I can only assume that is why 'Portugal' features in forum discussions.  Your apparent objection to 'Portugal' being mentioned is unfathomable.
IMO

[pathfinder73]

Authorities think they have found body of missing 3-year-old NC girl, FBI says

(CNN)Authorities believe they have found the body of Mariah Woods, a 3-year-old eastern North Carolina girl missing for more than five days, the FBI said Saturday.

The body was found Saturday evening in Pender County by a dive team, Shelley Lynch, with the FBI in Charlotte, said.

The mother's live-in boyfriend was charged Saturday in connection with her disappearance, authorities said earlier.
Earl Kimrey, 32, was being held on more than $1 million bond at the Onslow County Detention Center following his arrest for concealing a death, obstruction of justice and other charges, the Onslow County Sheriff's Office said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/02/us/north-carolina-missing-girl-arrest/index.html

3 year old death covered up due to sexual abuse. They said it was an abduction.

Mariah Woods 'was sexually abused by her mother's boyfriend': Shocking court documents suggest suspect in three-year-old girl's death molested the toddler - and 'her mother knew'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5153647/Mariah-Woods-abused-mothers-boyfriend.html

Child Protection reports seen by The Daily News – Jacksonville state that a witness, living in a trailer with the family in North Carolina, US, had seen Earl Kimrey put “his penis in the mouth” of the little girl.

[stephen25000]

Your wishful thinking is getting the better of you.    There is nothing libellous in referring to a Portuguese policeman connected to the McCann case who was found guilty of a crime considered to be serious enough for him to be given a suspended prison sentence and to acquire a criminal record.   That is a fact not an opinion. 

This happened in Portugal.   I can only assume that is why 'Portugal' features in forum discussions.  Your apparent objection to 'Portugal' being mentioned is unfathomable.
IMO

Your continued obsession in denigrating Portugal is not unfathomable, I see it as being quite deliberate.

[Benice]

Your continued obsession in denigrating Portugal is not unfathomable, I see it as being quite deliberate.

You forgot to put IYO.

I have never denigrated the country of Portugal.   I have given my opinion on aspects of their judiciary system and my opinion of corrupt Portuguese police officers - which FYI is no different to my opinion of policemen who abuse the power they have been entrusted with  - anywhere else in the world.     If you have a problem with that - then you should say what it is.   

As barely a day passes without your opinion - that Madeleine's parents are responsible for her disappearance - being repeatedly introduced by you into virtually every thread - regardless of  the subject being discussed  - your attempt to label me or any other poster as having a 'continuing obsession' could not possibly be more ironic imo.

I await your opinion of what it is you think I am 'deliberately' trying to do.

AIMHO 

[stephen25000]

You forgot to put IYO.

I have never denigrated the country of Portugal.   I have given my opinion on aspects of their judiciary system and my opinion of corrupt Portuguese police officers - which FYI is no different to my opinion of policemen who abuse the power they have been entrusted with  - anywhere else in the world.     If you have a problem with that - then you should say what it is.   

As barely a day passes without your opinion - that Madeleine's parents are responsible for her disappearance - being repeatedly introduced by you into virtually every thread - regardless of  the subject being discussed  - your attempt to label me or any other poster as having a 'continuing obsession' could not possibly be more ironic imo.

I await your opinion of what it is you think I am 'deliberately' trying to do.

AIMHO

'I see it as being quite deliberate.'

Very clear cut. That means it's my opinion.

I have said more recently, not every day,  the parents actions instigated the events. That is a fact.

Why don't you give and discuss examples of police behaviour in other countries ?

Why do you focus on Portugal ?

As to opinions, you put yours on here, so why do you have a problem if I do ?

[jassi]

'I see it as being quite deliberate.'

Very clear cut. That means it's my opinion.

I have said more recently, not every day,  the parents actions instigated the events. That is a fact.

Why don't you give and discuss examples of police behaviour in other countries ?

Why do you focus on Portugal ?

As to opinions, you put yours on here, so why do you have a problem if I do ?

I can only assume that she thinks it will lead to some world-shattering breakthrough leading to the solving of this case. Why bother otherwise?

[jassi]

'I see it as being quite deliberate.'

Very clear cut. That means it's my opinion.

I have said more recently, not every day,  the parents actions instigated the events. That is a fact.

Why don't you give and discuss examples of police behaviour in other countries ?

Why do you focus on Portugal ?

As to opinions, you put yours on here, so why do you have a problem if I do ?

Why indeed. It's not as if it will influence anything.

[barrier]

I can only assume that she thinks it will lead to some world-shattering breakthrough leading to the solving of this case. Why bother otherwise?

To be fair its where the answer lies imo,so do SY, not that counts for much,seeing has they have no jurisdiction.

[Benice]

'I see it as being quite deliberate.'

Very clear cut. That means it's my opinion.

I have said more recently, not every day,  the parents actions instigated the events. That is a fact.

Why don't you give and discuss examples of police behaviour in other countries ?

[b]Why do you focus on Portugal ?[/b]

As to opinions, you put yours on here, so why do you have a problem if I do ?

Are you being serious?   This forum is dedicated to discussing and debating the McCann case which happened in Portugal.    It massively involves Portuguese police and Portuguese law.    Perhaps you can explain why those facts are not valid reasons for their regular inclusion in any debate on this particular case.

I have no objection to anyone voicing their opinions - in fact I am always interested to hear other people's opinions.   And I certainly have no desire to close down or stop differing opinions to mine being discussed.

I see you are still determined to have a different rule for yourself to the one you keep insisting other people must follow when it comes to differentiating between fact and opinion.

You stated quite clearly as a fact that I have a 'continued obsession' with Portugal.    Your 'opinion' which you now claim is evident from the words........ '' I see it''...... refers only to your belief that 'my obsession' (which you claimed as a fact) is quite deliberate on my part.     Of course had you simply put IMO at the end of your post - we would not be having this discussion.

I await your opinion on what it is I am deliberately trying to do by mentioning Portugal in discussions about the McCann case.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

Are you being serious?   This forum is dedicated to discussing and debating the McCann case which happened in Portugal.    It massively involves Portuguese police and Portuguese law.    Perhaps you can explain why those facts are not valid reasons for their regular inclusion in any debate on this particular case.

I have no objection to anyone voicing their opinions - in fact I am always interested to hear other people's opinions.   And I certainly have no desire to close down or stop differing opinions to mine being discussed.

I see you are still determined to have a different rule for yourself to the one you keep insisting other people must follow when it comes to differentiating between fact and opinion.

You stated quite clearly as a fact that I have a 'continued obsession' with Portugal.    Your 'opinion' which you now claim is evident from the words........ '' I see it''...... refers only to your belief that 'my obsession' (which you claimed as a fact) is quite deliberate on my part.     Of course had you simply put IMO at the end of your post - we would not be having this discussion.

I await your opinion on what it is I am deliberately trying to do by mentioning Portugal in discussions about the McCann case.

AIMHO

This thread is called 'wandering off topic'.

I therefore think it is quite applicable to discuss the behaviour of police in other countries.

Can you cite in the Mccann case, what illegal activity has taken place ?

IYO of course.

[barrier]

Your wishful thinking is getting the better of you.    There is nothing libellous in referring to a Portuguese policeman connected to the McCann case who was found guilty of a crime considered to be serious enough for him to be given a suspended prison sentence and to acquire a criminal record.   That is a fact not an opinion. 

According to another poster in the Nessling thread, continual denigration even if true is tantamount to abuse,sauce for the Goose,sauce for the Gooose.