Wandering Off Topic

[Carana]

The only way he'll be proved wrong is for a miracle to happen imo.
As recently as April 2017 SY couldn't  confirm if Madeleine was dead or alive.

In your view, a "miracle" would be if he was proven right?

For me, a "miracle" would be that she might eventually be found alive...

[faithlilly]

So at first Kate told her, then it changes to Rachael. Why would Jane immediately think that the man she saw had taken MM? Most people imo would think she'd got out; hence the searching. Rachael has the answer;

Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebodys taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she'd been taken, erm as, you know, as opposed to just kind of wandering out of her bed and just wondering where people were, erm and then, and I remember then going to talk to Jane and Matt went off and that, I went to talk to Jane and said you know, that Madeleine had disappeared and the window was open and the shutter was up, erm and then Jane said to me that when she'd come back to do her check, erm she'd seen somebody carrying a child,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Speculation but could Tanner by the rogatories been made aware that if Fiona had been the first to hear about Tanner’s sighting there would have been a conversation about what the child was wearing as Fiona knew by that point and Rachael didn’t ?

For me Tanner was desperately trying to convince the interviewer that she would have no way of knowing what Madeleine was wearing at that point.

[Carana]

The reality is that Amaral has not been proven right or wrong and the highest Court in Portugal has decreed that the McCanns have not been cleared.  The perfect stalemate position.

Any criminal considerations were outwith the remit of the civil one (although some conclusions might not make that limpid). The civil one was not about the investigation itself, but about the repeated dissemination, in a limited amount of examples, of a particular theory which was considered by the plaintiffs to have caused damage.

[Robittybob1]

Any criminal considerations were outwith the remit of the civil one (although some conclusions might not make that limpid). The civil one was not about the investigation itself, but about the repeated dissemination, in a limited amount of examples, of a particular theory which was considered by the plaintiffs to have caused damage.

outwith

preposition SCOTTISH
outside; beyond.
"he has lived outwith Scotland for only five years"

"Outwith" a word never used in New Zealand!

[Carana]

I don't have a clue about Portugal. I know there is legislation concerning police conduct both for England and Wales and Scotland.

The Police (Conduct) Regulations 2012
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/2632/contents/made

The Police Service of Scotland (Conduct) Regulations 2014
http://www.scotland.police.uk/assets/pdf/151934/184779/police-service-of-scotland-conduct-regulations-sop

Thanks, G-Unit. I'll have a look at those, and see if I can find anything similar in the PT regulations.

[Carana]

outwith

preposition SCOTTISH
outside; beyond.
"he has lived outwith Scotland for only five years"

"Outwith" a word never used in New Zealand!

LOL Rob,

Without doesn't have the same meaning. ;)

Outwith means beyond, outside of.

[Robittybob1]

LOL Rob,

Without doesn't have the same meaning. ;)

Outwith means beyond, outside of.

Yes  I copied it from Google.  We use without but never outwith.    "Only out with the old and in with the new".

[barrier]

I find it absurd to imagine that both police forces had ignored any of a list of criminally liable possibilities involving the parents prior to stating that they weren't suspects.

Do you consider it absurd then when Rowley states in response to a question regarding the parents

Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation.

Since when would two independent police investigations in two countries be (re)launched to concentrate on proving or disproving a theory of one particular officer (and his entourage) who coordinated the investigation for its first 5 months?

I never said that the investigations were out to prove or disprove his theory,what I said is there is no proof his theory is wrong as yet.Hell and freezing come to mind before it happens.

[Brietta]

Never say never, but for the moment I disagree.

The two investigations were opened / reopened based on an assessment of facts, and opportunities to further explore what happened to this little girl and who (if anyone), was criminally responsible for an - as yet - undetermined potential criime.

So far, ok.

Both jurisdictions stated that the parents weren't suspects. Although that could always change, so far it hasn't.

I find it absurd to imagine that both police forces had ignored any of a list of criminally liable possibilities involving the parents prior to stating that they weren't suspects.

Since when would two independent police investigations in two countries be (re)launched to concentrate on proving or disproving a theory of one particular officer (and his entourage) who coordinated the investigation for its first 5 months?

There are always going to be supporters of the "thwarted hero" amongst conspiracy theorists whatever the
subject. Although conspiracies do exist, IMO there are far more theorists than actual ones. Conveniently, it feeds into the current populist zeitgeist narrative of David v Goliath, or whatever represents a particular archetype.

That excellent post made me feel so sad, Carana, you nearly always hit the nail on the head and you've driven it right in yet again.

The present investigations by the Portuguese and English are all about Madeleine and are being conducted in the present despite the genesis being 2007 .  In my opinion absolutely everything else is subordinate to that.

[Miss Taken Identity]

THe fact that both investigations have categorically stated that the McCanns are not suspects tends to prove him wrong.  Of course you won't accept that, and neither I doubt will he.

Not suspects in what scenario? abducting their child- selling her to gypsies? sending her to a closed secret convent?

what are they not suspected of? No crime has been established and the 'abduction' from the apartment has shown no evidence of such.

[barrier]

The only way he'll be proved wrong is for a miracle to happen imo.

In your view, a "miracle" would be if he was proven right.

Can't see where that view is expressed,nice of you to think for me.

[Robittybob1]

Not suspects in what scenario? abducting their child- selling her to gypsies? sending her to a closed secret convent?

what are they not suspected of? No crime has been established and the 'abduction' from the apartment has shown no evidence of such.

Do parents do such things?

[Brietta]

Do parents do such things?

Some parents do unthinkable things to their children for example the Turpin children in America.

Turpin case: Siblings allegedly starved, shackled and taunted with food

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is always evidence of such atrocities.  On the other hand there is evidence that Madeleine and her siblings were very much loved and well cared children ... to imply otherwise is despicable in my opinion.

[Erngath]

Some parents do unthinkable things to their children for example the Turpin children in America.

Turpin case: Siblings allegedly starved, shackled and taunted with food

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is always evidence of such atrocities.  On the other hand there is evidence that Madeleine and her siblings were very much loved and well cared children ... to imply otherwise is despicable in my opinion.

I made a similar post saying that in the video of Madeleine with her little shoe, she seemed to me to be a well cared for and much loved child.
The post was deleted.

[Robittybob1]

I made a similar post saying that in the video of Madeleine with her little shoe, she seemed to me to be a well cared for and much loved child.
The post was deleted.

No doubt it was the way you said it!  Was it clearly stated as opinion or were you making it out to be a fact?