"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Wonderfulspam]

No what Kate describes is physically correct.  The air speed increased as the gap decreases i.e "as I closed it to about here".

But not a word said about it in her first statement.

How Extraordinary!

[Carana]

But not a word said about it in her first statement.

How Extraordinary!

Don't forget it's a summary of points that the officer thought relevant. It's not a verbatim statement.

[Carana]

So the word 'whoosh' is in neither Kate or the collaboration statements. Why are you so insistent that it may have been ?

I'm not insisting on anything other than the fact that there are other possibilities to consider before coming to hard-and-fast conclusions.

From my own experiences, I know how easily things can get muddled. Whether that's the case here or not, I don't know as I wasn't there.

[Robittybob1]

But not a word said about it in her first statement.

How Extraordinary!

It would be different if the story changes on any aspect.   Minor wording changes only in all the years it has been repeated.  I believe it. But the whooshing curtains only refers to the  net curtains not the heavy drapes.

[Wonderfulspam]

Don't forget it's a summary of points that the officer thought relevant. It's not a verbatim statement.

The interpreter was perhaps just sat motionless with a blank stare whilst Kate recounted the whole scenario.

[jassi]

The interpreter was perhaps just sat motionless with a blank stare whilst Kate recounted the whole scenario.

Rendered speechless in disbelief even.

[Robittybob1]

Rendered speechless in disbelief even.

Surprising face palms have not been mentioned!

[Wonderfulspam]

It would be different if the story changes on any aspect.   Minor wording changes only in all the years it has been repeated.  I believe it. But the whooshing curtains only refers to the  net curtains not the heavy drapes.

Were you expecting her to use different words for whoosh & slam?

[Robittybob1]

Were you expecting her to use different words for whoosh & slam?

I would look at other peoples criticisms and decide whether they are substantial of not.

[kizzy]

No what Kate describes is physically correct.  The air speed increased as the gap decreases i.e "as I closed it to about here".

After entering the apartment and stating that she probably wouldn't have checked inside the children's bedroom had the door not 'suddenly slammed' as she went to return it to 'the position they'd left it in'. She THEN goes on to state she found the window and shutters open, cold, icy fear, no please no etc ad nauseum..... She even says she checked if the patio door WAS shut - it was.


1-An exterior door to be open

2-An interior door to be open. PLUS:

3-An interior window OR another exterior door to be open.

In k mccann account only' only 2 of the 3 conditions apply.

Therefore, however windy it was, the door should have slammed the moment k mccann entered the patio, not a minute or so later.

Doesn't it require the suction of a through-draft to pull a door shut.

 I have NEVER known a door to slam in the circumstances she described.

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[Benice]

After entering the apartment and stating that she probably wouldn't have checked inside the children's bedroom had the door not 'suddenly slammed' as she went to return it to 'the position they'd left it in'. She THEN goes on to state she found the window and shutters open, cold, icy fear, no please no etc ad nauseum..... She even says she checked if the patio door WAS shut - it was.


1-An exterior door to be open

2-An interior door to be open. PLUS:

3-An interior window OR another exterior door to be open.

In k mccann account only' only 2 of the 3 conditions apply.

Therefore, however windy it was, the door should have slammed the moment k mccann entered the patio, not a minute or so later.

Doesn't it require the suction of a through-draft to pull a door shut.

 I have NEVER known a door to slam in the circumstances she described.

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AFAIK there was not a sustained gale blowing - it was breezy.   Breezes come in gusts of differing intensity.  So there could be moments when no wind was blowing and so no doors slamming -  and then followed by a stronger gust which could move doors and then die down again.      It's not a black and white situation IMO.

 

[Alice Purjorick]

They are two unrelated issues really for Heriberto demonstrated the shutters could be raised from the exterior.
Sadie's argument was more a matter of the awkwardness of entering or exiting through such a small sized window.

1) Heriberto's demonstration was entirely dependent upon the window behind the shutter being unlatched and open far enough to allow the insertion of a pinching bar or fingers into the aperture or if not one could always use a handle with two suction pads on it or palm flat against the glass surface and hope there is sufficient friction betwen the glass and your hand...............................
2) Roy "Rubber Bones" Webb.

I stand by my earlier statement. Work out how the shutter maintained it's raised position.
Deal with the basic stuff first.

[kizzy]

AFAIK there was not a sustained gale blowing - it was breezy.   Breezes come in gusts of differing intensity.  So there could be moments when no wind was blowing and so no doors slamming -  and then followed by a stronger gust which could move doors and then die down again.      It's not a black and white situation IMO.

but only what you think, it was blowing enough to whoosh the full length curtains. curtains

[Wonderfulspam]

but only what you think, it was blowing enough to whoosh the full length curtains. curtains

You'll be told it was the net curtains, that blew open.

However, I've not once heard Kate describe net curtains whooshing, when interviewed.

I believe that is a gross distortion....

[kizzy]

Wouldn't you have thought if the curtains whooshed, they would have landed on the bed.

Not perfectly positioned themselves, like on the photos