"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Mr Gray]

A reconstitution is what the Portuguese do which involves the original participants, something which we in the UK are not familiar with.  This is not the same as a reconstruction involving stand-ins like police officers.

I agree it has to be worthwhile and it certainly would have been in the Maddie disappearance since so much doesn't add up.  There are too many conflicting accounts of who did and said what at various times between the tapas group and the hotel staff.  A reconstitution would identify who had the poor memory and who made things up.  Who was being genuine and who was obstructive.

You are accusing people of making things up and then asking them to voluntarily attend a reconstruction  where in their opinion they could be arrested and held even if they are innocent
Added to this by a police force who have states as fact that the dig alerted to cadaver odour which is not confirmed by the experts.... IMO the tapas had every reason not to trust the pj

[Robittybob1]

So you want to check the tapas version of events... Why didn't the pj do this at the rogs if they thought it was necessary

I want them to say where they were when the first saw each other (Point A), and to pin point where they talked (Point B) and then show us how you can walk towards each other and go from A to B.

[kizzy]

 Reconstruction should have been done to show who was where , it seems D P was at the mccanns telling how wonderful and content they all looked ...but where was he after that.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm



--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek

-
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro

 

[Robittybob1]

Reconstruction should have been done to show who was where , it seems .... ...... was at the mccanns telling how wonderful and content they all looked ...but where was he after that.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm



--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek

-
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro

Well have you figured who she was describing?

[kizzy]

Well have you figured who she was describing?

yes have you.

[Angelo222]

You are accusing people of making things up and then asking them to voluntarily attend a reconstruction  where in their opinion they could be arrested and held even if they are innocent
Added to this by a police force who have states as fact that the dig alerted to cadaver odour which is not confirmed by the experts.... IMO the tapas had every reason not to trust the pj

Witnesses have a legal and moral obligation to cooperate with the police and even more so in a child disappearance case. Only someone with something to hide will be afraid of the reconstitution and we all know who later refused to take part voluntarily.  As someone previously commented, they should all have been charged with obstruction and perverting the course of justice and dragged back to the resort.

[Brietta]

Reconstruction should have been done to show who was where , it seems .... ...... was at the mccanns telling how wonderful and content they all looked ...but where was he after that.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm



--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek

-
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro

Where was Yvonne Martin on the night Madeleine disappeared?

[slartibartfast]

Where was Yvonne Martin on the night Madeleine disappeared?

During the past month of May or more precisely on the 04th of May 2007, the witness was in Portugal, enjoying holidays, when at about 07H00 she turned on the television and watched an English news channel (BBC or SKY NEWS) where she saw an appeal to British citizens on holiday in the Algarve to offer all possible support to a British couple who were on holiday in Praia da Luz and whose daughter, a child, had disappeared on May 03, 2007.

As she works directly with situations of children at risk, and as she was very close to Praia da Luz, she went there with the intention of offering her help and support to the couple, she arrived there at about 09H30.

Unless you are suggesting something else?

[Mr Gray]

Witnesses have a legal and moral obligation to cooperate with the police and even more so in a child disappearance case. Only someone with something to hide will be afraid of the reconstitution and we all know who later refused to take part voluntarily.  As someone previously commented, they should all have been charged with obstruction and perverting the course of justice and dragged back to the resort.

I doubt they could be charged with obstruction  and hauled back... Quite rightly too imo

[Mr Gray]

Witnesses have a legal and moral obligation to cooperate with the police and even more so in a child disappearance case. Only someone with something to hide will be afraid of the reconstitution and we all know who later refused to take part voluntarily.  As someone previously commented, they should all have been charged with obstruction and perverting the course of justice and dragged back to the resort.

Your statement.... Only someone with something  to hide... Is obviously  incorrect and shows your reasoning to be flawed

[Brietta]

Unless you are suggesting something else?

I'm wondering at why she has been introduced onto a thread concerning the advice of the cop who failed to carry out a reconstitution of the events of May 3rd at a time of most value to Madeleine.

[misty]

Unless you are suggesting something else?

What time was the first TV report of Madeleine's disappearance shown?

[Robittybob1]

What time was the first TV report of Madeleine's disappearance shown?

At about 7:00 AM on the 4th I believe.

[sadie]

I am interested in weather stations, not weather reports.  Your reports go back to May 2014 only as far as I can find.  If I am accurate, these are years off anyway.

Let me try restating the problem

One site, plus a video maker, claim that their weather information came from an ex-RAF person who had a weather station in Luz.  Now if that was the case, we would have our hands on something worthy of discussion.

The problem with this is that the person initially having his say on this weather was clear that the source of his information was Faro, and did not hide this fact.  Other people morphed this into a weather station in Luz, operated by the ex-airman.  It is child's play to check that the claimed Luz data is identical to the Faro data, when of course it should have been different.

But if the airman had indeed recorded the weather conditions, would that be the end of the discussion?  He lives somewhere on Rua Praia da Luz (Luz beach road).  Apartment 5A is perhaps 800m away.  So we could debate whether the weather was the same or different across these two locations.

After pondering the weather question, I decided to conduct a practical experiment.  For over a year I collected weather data from our part of Luz, in order to make a comparison against Sagres and Faro.  But I have not carried out that analysis, because there was a flaw in my data collection.  I was doing it at our villa on top of a (windy) hill, whereas 5A is much more sheltered.  I would have needed to go into Luz twice every day, to record weather at the Tapas zone at the time of day that the Last Photo was taken, and to 5A around 10 pm.

I can get historical weather 'reports' for several places around us.  There are no weather stations in any of them.  Sites simply store the forecasts based on Sagres and Faro and then publish those forecasts as historical data.

Have a look at the Luz webcam.  It is getting its weather information from somewhere, just not from its private weather station.  Currently, I get mine from https://www.otempo.pt/ to check on rain and thunderstorms (when our power often goes off).  And while I would like to get my personal weather station as an amusement, a multi-day forecast is much more valuable, so this site is on my favourites list.

As far as I can tell, we have evidence from the Last Photo, plus the video clip when the McCanns were taken to Portimão in the morning of 4 May.  After that, we are into pronouncements by the Tapas9 and others.

From memory of two days ago, the websites I posted went back to 2009.

https://www.worldweatheronline.com/algarve-weather-history/pt.aspx  =  weather in Faro

https://www.worldweatheronline.com/lagos-weather/faro/pt.aspx = weather in Lagos

Furthermore, The data on the Lagos site was not the same as the weather on the Faro site.  They each had their own data.


I cant think why you queried my original post about there being a website that gave historical conditions in Lagos if the only thing that you wanted was to find a weather Station in Lagos.  A great deal of my time has been wasted finding the stuff that you queried.

Suggest that you write to the provider of the two websites above

[Carana]

I checked back as well, Sadie.

I don't recall finding anything for Lagos - just Sagres and Faro.

The issue at the time concerned the 2pm sunny photo of Madeleine by the pool, which certain researchers asserted couldn't have happened because of the supposed bad weather at that time in PdL that day. 

Both SIL and I were intrigued and I seem to recall we shared resources at the time as we'd sometimes found different ones.

Whereupon Blonk accused me of "historical revisionism". :)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg312452#msg312452

That whole thread is 105 pages long, if anyone has the energy to skim back through it...

Parts of it are quite amusing, though.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.0

In Blonk's own words:

1. I just used 'Google' and searched 'Weather''Reports''Algarve'. You can do the same. You'll find exactly what I did all along the Algarve: Sat/Sun: WARM, SUNNY >>> Mon/Tues/Weds/Thurs: COOLER, LOTS OF CLOUD, WINDIER, SHOWERS
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311161#msg311161

More weather discussion bits, here onwards:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311821#msg311821