Neville Bamber and Teddy bear in master bedroom

[Opal]

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actually they are earphones in the 'lamp' photo and not headphones in my opinion.

[Opal]

In 1983 they began changing the design of phones so that they no longer needed to be hard wired.  In 1986 they phased out the hard wired ones entirely.  Because of the lightning storm ruined the old one and he had to change the socket and all it is possible Cresswell installed the new style. Cresswell didn't specify whether he kept the old style or put in the new kind.  What wire could have been used in the kitchen though if it had been left in the bedroom? [/b The kitchen phone was undamaged by the lightning so didn't need to be replaced.

Scipio....I looked this up in the Jeremy Bamber book.

Jean Bouttel testified in Court that the cream round finger dial telephone which was usually in the main bedroom was now in the kitchen with the cord running through the hatch in the wall behind and into the drinks cupboard.

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Scipio....I looked this up in the Jeremy Bamber book.

Jean Bouttel testified in Court that the cream round finger dial telephone which was usually in the main bedroom was now in the kitchen with the cord running through the hatch in the wall behind and into the drinks cupboard.

I think you missed my point.

The kitchen phone was presumably a model that was hardwired. It was not damaged during the thunderstorm hence not replaced with a newer model. Thus after being unplugged the wire would still be attached to it and remain that when when hidden.  If the bedroom phone was a recent model without hardwiring and the wire it used was left in the bedroom then it would have no wire to plug into the kitchen socket. The only way to plug it in would be if the cradle to the cordless phone was not hardwired and that cord was used. One would expect though that Pike would ask where the wire was if it was not given back to him when he took the cordless phone back. 



I suppose the wire from the cordless phone could potentially have been used if it's cradle wasn't hardwired.

[Myster]

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actually they are earphones in the 'lamp' photo and not headphones in my opinion.

I think they're a halfway house between the simple earphones in your photo where the earpieces are inserted in the ear meatus, and more expensive headphones with earpieces that rest on the ears. I used to have a cheap version of the latter type (and similar to those resting on the bedside cupboard), where the head size adjustment was achieved by sliding each foam-covered earpiece forward or backward along the notched plastic ends of the headband.

[Myster]

Scipio....I looked this up in the Jeremy Bamber book.

Jean Bouttel testified in Court that the cream round finger dial telephone which was usually in the main bedroom was now in the kitchen with the cord running through the hatch in the wall behind and into the drinks cupboard.

I think you missed my point.

The kitchen phone was presumably a model that was hardwired. It was not damaged during the thunderstorm hence not replaced with a newer model. Thus after being unplugged the wire would still be attached to it and remain that when when hidden.  If the bedroom phone was a recent model without hardwiring and the wire it used was left in the bedroom then it would have no wire to plug into the kitchen socket. The only way to plug it in would be if the cradle to the cordless phone was not hardwired and that cord was used. One would expect though that Pike would ask where the wire was if it was not given back to him when he took the cordless phone back. 

I suppose the wire from the cordless phone could potentially have been used if it's cradle wasn't hardwired.

The hatch was probably slid open slightly or there was already a small hole in it to allow the cord and plug to pass through.

The rotary dial 746 was fitted with a permanent power/communication cord. So to be carried anywhere it only had to be unplugged from a wall socket , then plugged in again where it was to be used.

Fixed handset cord on the left and fixed power/communication cord on the right.

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The hatch was probably slid open slightly or there was already a small hole in it to allow the cord and plug to pass through.

The rotary dial 746 was fitted with a permanent power/communication cord. So to be carried anywhere it only had to be unplugged from a wall socket , then plugged in again where it was to be used.

Fixed handset cord on the left and fixed power/communication cord on the right.

From 1983 forward some phones were changed so they were no longer hard wired and from 1986 no phones were hardwired. The 746 is one of those that was changed though there are no sources which indicate which year it transitioned. That is why you see sources discussing most pre 1986 phones needing to be changed though some post 1983 were already transitioned.

The problem is that even if the 746 installed in June 1985 was one of the new models lacking the integral cord the kitchen phone had an integral cord so there would be no kitchen wire to use and thus the bedroom wire would still have to be used.

[Opal]

From 1983 forward some phones were changed so they were no longer hard wired and from 1986 no phones were hardwired. The 746 is one of those that was changed though there are no sources which indicate which year it transitioned. That is why you see sources discussing most pre 1986 phones needing to be changed though some post 1983 were already transitioned.

The problem is that even if the 746 installed in June 1985 was one of the new models lacking the integral cord the kitchen phone had an integral cord so there would be no kitchen wire to use and thus the bedroom wire would still have to be used.

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Scipio....can you tell by the photo of the phone in the kitchen of WHF as to whether the cream round dial phone was lacking the integral cord? I'm hopeless at this!

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Scipio....can you tell by the photo of the phone in the kitchen of WHF as to whether the cream round dial phone was lacking the integral cord? I'm hopeless at this!

The only way to tell is to see the back of the phone. I can say with great confidence that police had no reason to turn the phone around in order to take a photo of the back. 

I can also fairly confident that even if the bedroom phone was the new one without an integral cord that Jeremy would take the cord and phone not just a phone with no cord to the kitchen.  Only if he knew there was a cord already in the kitchen to use would he have the ability to leave the bedroom cord.  The housekeeper and secretary said the kitchen phone had the cord wrapped around it when it was found.  That leaves only the cord from the cordless phone cradle as a possibility and I think Pike would have made sure he collected the cord when he retrieved the cordless phone.  He mentioned making sure he took the splitter adapter which allowed 2 phones to be used in 1 socket.

So all in all I doubt there was a phone cord sitting in the bedroom.