Kate McCann insisted that Gerry and Dave go out searching for Madeleine.

[Robittybob1]

Matt went into 5A only once according to his rog interview. The police arrived later.

"I did go into the apartment, just as far perhaps as the, erm, as the kitchen, and I could see them sat on the sofa, but they were in with the Police and there was nothing we could do or say, so we came back out, and that's the only time I went back into the apartment'." Matt Oldfield

That is alright.  Very interesting that it was at that time.

[Brietta]

Thats not a cite for sadies assertion that the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction, which is what i asked for but thanks anyway for taking the trouble

As senior investigating officer if Mr Amaral was aware that a speedy reconstruction would have been appropriate, why didn't he order one at the time?  As Bren has indicated in the cite I have provided ... Paulo Rebelo was not bound by the restraints Mr Amaral claims for his failure to do so.
He was aware of press criticism that such a reconstruction had not taken place ... so when writing his book he was hardly likely to record that his preferred miscreants had asked for one and had provided what he thought were compelling reasons to excuse his neglect.
The most risible of which was his concern that Madeleine's parents should not be subject to "um julgamento na praça pública." or a kangaroo court.

[pathfinder73]

And the only arguidos in this case to fail to answer questions are..............

[mercury]

As senior investigating officer if Mr Amaral was aware that a speedy reconstruction would have been appropriate, why didn't he order one at the time?  As Bren has indicated in the cite I have provided ... Paulo Rebelo was not bound by the restraints Mr Amaral claims for his failure to do so.
He was aware of press criticism that such a reconstruction had not taken place ... so when writing his book he was hardly likely to record that his preferred miscreants had asked for one and had provided what he thought were compelling reasons to excuse his neglect.
The most risible of which was his concern that Madeleine's parents should not be subject to "um julgamento na praça pública." or a kangaroo court.

That still isnt a cite for sadies assertion that the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction
Why not just say you cant find one instead of swerving the discussion,never mind

[Brietta]

And the only arguidos in this case to fail to answer questions are..............

Hmmm ... so you have seen a transcript of Mr Amaral's interview?  That is interesting.  Any chance of sharing?

[Robittybob1]

And the only arguidos in this case to fail to answer questions are..............

You are wrong to think that implies guilt.  How come you guys seem to have get home free cards when you implicate the McCanns?  Are there any pro-McCann people here?

[Brietta]

That still isnt a cite for sadies assertion that the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction
Why not just say you cant find one instead of swerving the discussion,never mind

There is one somewhere on the forum. Carana or Benice perhaps?  If so, they will no doubt catch up with it tomorrow.

[pegasus]

(snip) ...Paulo Rebelo was not bound by the restraints ... (snip)

It was Rebelo who tried to arrange the reconstruction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm#p16p4190

[sadie]

44 - It was thought to do the reconstruction in May but that wasn't possible. The number of tourists, the number of journalists and the fact that the air space had to be closed (because of helicopters from the media) and the fact that it would make the public suspect the McCanns were being treated as suspects prevented it.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

Quote taken from Mr Amaral's book ...

Em meados de Maio já se tinha procedido a uma segunda leva de inquirições deste grupo de nove turistas que passava férias na Vila da Luz. As contradições entre os diversos depoimentos aumentaram.

Apesar de ser importante uma segunda inquirição de Kate Healy, decidiu-se esperar mais algum tempo porque a mãe de Maddie estaria demasiado abalada.

É nesta altura que se coloca a necessidade de se proceder a uma reconstituição dos factos daquela noite numa tentativa de os esclarecer. Esta constitui um acto processual e investigatório muito comum, sobretudo quando se avolumam os pormenores e contradições de um determinado caso.

Progride-se consideravel- mente quando uma reconstituição se concretiza. Estaríamos na presença de dezenas de intervenientes – o grupo de turistas, os empregados do restaurante, as educadoras e as demais teste- munhas. Percebe assim o leitor o incomensurável valor que a reconstituição daquela noite teria.

A sua realização pode funcio- nar como catalisador no esclarecimento da sequência de factos e sobre a sua simultaneidade. Se houver contradições durante a reconstituição, instantaneamente estas são explicadas pelos seus protagonistas

Mas a reconstituição não se realizou. Porquê? Atendendo ao número de turistas que estava no aldeamento, o qual teria de ser fechado durante algumas horas, afectando as suas férias, pela necessidade de fechar o espaço aéreo, pelo elevado número de jor- nalistas num espaço que se tornara exíguo e ainda porque se temia que se achasse que os pais de Maddie e os seus amigos estariam a ser considerados suspeitos e, naturalmente, não queríamos um julgamento na praça pública.

Foi discutida esta possibilidade no seio da equipa de investigação, mas a decisão acabou por ser a sua não realização, apesar de algumas vozes discordantes.

Ainda assim, a reconstituição daquela noite poderia ter sido feita de uma forma mais discreta, apenas com os pais da criança desaparecida. No essencial, obter-se-ia o mesmo efeito esclare- cedor sobre o que então ocorreu. Pela responsabilidade directa (pais-filhos) e pelo teor e valor dos seus depoimentos, os pais são o fio condutor daquela noite. Isto sem que, antes pelo contrário, se faça qualquer juízo a priori. Apenas decorre do dever de coo- peração, normalíssimo nestas situações.

É meu entendimento que esta reconstituição, seja com todos os intervenientes ou apenas com os pais, ainda é extremamente útil. A «encenação» da noite, no sentido técnico e investigatório do termo, acto de reconstituição a partir do rol de elementos que constam do processo permite, em articulação com estes manter ainda hoje a memória viva da noite de 3 de Maio de 2007. Não se percebe, assim, porque não se realiza.

By the middle of May we had already proceeded with a second series of questioning of the nine tourists who spent their holidays in Vila da Luz. There was an increase in the number of contradictions between the various statements.

Despite the importance of a second questioning of Kate Healy it was decided to wait a little longer because the mother of Maddie would be too upset/shaken.

This is when the need arises to proceed with a reconstruction of the events of that night in an attempt to make things clearer. This is a very common investigative procedure especially when details and contradictions are piling up in a given case.

Considrable progress is made when a reconstruction is done. We would be in the presence of many of those involved – the group of tourists, the restaurant workers, the nursery teachers, and other witnesses. So the reader can see how very important a reconstruction of that night would have been.

The reconstruction can work as a catalyst for clarifying the sequence of events and their respective timings. If there are contradictions during the reconstruction they are immediately explained by those involved.

The reconstruction never happened. Why? Given the large number of tourists in the village whose holidays would be affected if it were closed for several hours, the necessity to close the airspace, the large number of journalists in such a small area and the fear that the parents of Maddie and their friends were coming under suspicion and naturally we did not wish to see a trial in a public arena.

The team of investigators discussed the possibility but a decision was taken that there would be no reconstruction in spite of some dissenting voices..

Even so, the reconstruction of that evening could have been done in a more discreet way with only the parents of the child who had disappeared. Essentially it would have the same effect of clearing up what happened at the time. Due to their direct responsibility (Parent-child) and the meaning and value of their statements the parents are the driving force of that night. No a priori judgement is intended, quite the contrary. It simply follows from the duty of cooperation, normal in such situations.

It is my opinion that this reconstruction, whether with all those involved or only with the parents, remains extremely useful. The “staging” of the night in the technical and investigative sense of the term, the act of reconstruction starting from the list of elements contained in the process allows, in conjunction with these the night of 3 May 2007 to be kept alive as a living memory today. It isn’t clear, therefore, why it is not happening.
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/the-purpose-of-a-reconstruction/

Thank you Brietta.

I feel sure that somewhere it was said that The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction, but it wasn't to be.

I wonder, was it mentioned in the book "Madeleine"? Maybe it was on a youtube interview ?



The important point is that it didn't happen at the time.   The time that everything was fresh in their minds.

.... and the excuses why it didn't happen were rather weak imo.

[faithlilly]

As senior investigating officer if Mr Amaral was aware that a speedy reconstruction would have been appropriate, why didn't he order one at the time?  As Bren has indicated in the cite I have provided ... Paulo Rebelo was not bound by the restraints Mr Amaral claims for his failure to do so.
He was aware of press criticism that such a reconstruction had not taken place ... so when writing his book he was hardly likely to record that his preferred miscreants had asked for one and had provided what he thought were compelling reasons to excuse his neglect.
The most risible of which was his concern that Madeleine's parents should not be subject to "um julgamento na praça pública." or a kangaroo court.

By the time Rebelo asked for a reconstitution to be done the McCanns were already arguidos so that Madeleine's parents and their friends  would be subject to suspicion was no longer an issue and further by April/May 2008 there was hardly any media presence in PDL, another reason why the reconstitution did not take place in May/June 2007.

[sadie]

By the time Rebelo asked for a reconstitution to be done the McCanns were already arguidos so that Madeleine's parents and their friends  would be subject to suspicion was no longer an issue and further by April/May 2008 there was hardly any media presence in PDL, another reason why the reconstitution did not take place in May/June 2007.

To be effective, it should have taken place as near the actual time that Madeleine went missing as possible ... and I am talking days.

[Brietta]

To be effective, it should have taken place as near the actual time that Madeleine went missing as possible ... and I am talking days.

We are familiar with the reasoning behind reconstructions, Sadie, and would have considered the presence of a press hungry for facts not leaks and innuendo a very positive bonus in getting the information out to as many people as possible.

Who knows what memories might have been jogged.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Smith family ... some of whom remained in the thick of the press pack in Luz and whose younger children were distressed by Madeleine's disappearance ... did not put two and two together until a fortnight after the event.

[John]

We are familiar with the reasoning behind reconstructions, Sadie, and would have considered the presence of a press hungry for facts not leaks and innuendo a very positive bonus in getting the information out to as many people as possible.

Who knows what memories might have been jogged.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Smith family ... some of whom remained in the thick of the press pack in Luz and whose younger children were distressed by Madeleine's disappearance ... did not put two and two together until a fortnight after the event.

To be fair, some of the younger ones went home the next morning so the family would have had other things on their mind.  It is also fair to say that the distance between the Ocean Club Garden Block 5 and where the Smiths encountered the chappie would not have immediately engender up thoughts of an abductor.

[Alfie]

By the time Rebelo asked for a reconstitution to be done the McCanns were already arguidos so that Madeleine's parents and their friends  would be subject to suspicion was no longer an issue and further by April/May 2008 there was hardly any media presence in PDL, another reason why the reconstitution did not take place in May/June 2007.

What sort of an excuse is that?  Surely the more publicity for a reconstruction the better, but if the media was not welcome don't the police have it in their power to exclude them from the site of a potential reconstruction?

[Alice Purjorick]

We are familiar with the reasoning behind reconstructions, Sadie, and would have considered the presence of a press hungry for facts not leaks and innuendo a very positive bonus in getting the information out to as many people as possible.

Who knows what memories might have been jogged.

It is worth bearing in mind that the Smith family ... some of whom remained in the thick of the press pack in Luz and whose younger children were distressed by Madeleine's disappearance ... did not put two and two together until a fortnight after the event.

Except that was not the objective of a reconstitution. The Portuguese use the method to test statements not to see if Joe Punter remembers anything.