Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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So is he going to appeal and are you going to advise his new council? What will be the grounds of his appeal? He gave a confession under duress?

I don't know if he's going to appeal Miss Taken Identity... I think he should, I have nothing to do with advising anyones council, I'm just a forum user like yourself..

I believe that the constant moving of Dr Vincent tabak to 3 prisons in less than 48 hours is duress... he wouldn't have had his counsel available to him.. and when he appeared from Long Lartin by video link... his defence was in Bristol.... I think they made him feel like he didn't know his arse from is elbow.. Constant pressure on him proving that they had the control....

He also appear via video link at the old Bailey.. WHY the Old Bailey.. I have no answer for that.. but it must have completeley isolated him from council, family and friends..

All this and they never applied for Bail!!

He had two different Lawyers and I'm not sure if Cook was the duty solicitor who saw him when he was first arrested..( so it could be 3)....

His inability to read correctly or see correctly , must also have added to the difficulties he was facing.. as they had taken away his own glasses.. Which must have been prescription as he wore them all the time..

I think the original evidence they charged him with was not what they ended up in court with.. And i think they desperatley needed a confession, as the evidence would not stand up in court. (IMO)

I believe that this case needs a proper investigation, all the fire brigade appliances used, never explained..

And I so would love to see that 1300 page document that has the timelines in.... which the defence got dropped on them on the day of trial..

There are so many questions.. not answered in this case, and the lack of WITNESS'S in court only add to the mystery...

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 What was missing from court:....

(1)   The 8 Fire Brigade Appliances that were used

(2)   The piece of significant evidence handed into Police..

(3)    The forensic pictures showing how they used broom handles to move Joanna Yeates.

(4)    The Priest that talked to Joanna Yeates  near her home on the 17th Dec 2010

(5)    The sobbing girl, that had supposedly given Dr Vincent Tabak's name

(6)    CJ who had seen people at the small gate, who could have answered many questions..

(7)    Tanja Morson, Dr Vincent Tabak,s girlfriend.. who could have confirmed or denied any of the scenarios put             
        forward.
(8)    The Prosecution's full disclosure till day of trial (1300 pages)

(9)   The witness's that discovered Joanna yeates body on Longwood Lane..

(10) Kingdom who lived around the back of Jo yeates and heard someone scream "help me on Saturday 18th Dec
       2010 around mid morning...
(11) Any character witness's for Dr Vincent Tabak.

(12)  A psycharist with a report on Dr Vincent Tabak mental health whilst incarcarated..

(13)  An explanation of the shard of console found at crime scene... Who did the console belong too?

(14)  Time Stamps on the Asda video, to show exactly when Dr Vincent Tabak, was at Asda,..

(15)  An actuall application for Bail

(16)  Video putting Dr Vincent Tabak at the scene of crime..

(17)  Witness's putting Dr Vincent Tabak at the scene of crime.

(18)  DNA evidence of Dr Vincent Tabak in Joanna Yeates Flat

(19)  DNA evidence of Joanna Yeates in Dr Vincent Tabak's flat

(20)  An Explanation on how Joanna yeates ear ring ended up inside the bed covers

(21)  Photographs of the scene when the police first arrived on the 17th Dec 2010

(22)  An expert who could demonstrate the difficulties one person would have moving a dead weight several times

(22)  The lack of body fluids at Joanna Yeates flat..

(23)  The Lack of body fluids at Dr Vincent Tabaks flat.. (she was supposed to be there for 1Hour, before he went to asda) Or inside the car boot... (one loses bowel and bladder control)
       
(25)  Detailed analysis of the 1300 page document

(26)  Solid DNA profile of Dr Vincent Tabak on Joanna Yeates (partial doesn't prove anything)

(27)  A proper cross examination of witness's at the stand... ( statements where inconsistant)

(28)  An explanation to how Andrew Mott had to try stop a body from thawing after it was found and was supposed   
        frozen solid since being there from the 17th Dec 2010 and why it took 9 hours for Dr Delaney to see her...

(29)  Finger nail scrapping, that might have revealed who attacked her

(30)  Any medical records as to why Joanna Yeates had taken time from work days before the 17th Dec.. (could
        have explained why it didn't take long to strangle her)

(31) A demonstration of how easy or hard it would be to lift a body inside a bicycle bag/cover into the boot of a car.
       and would it fit into a bicycle bag?

(31)  Defence picking up on inaccurate statement regarding searches... when on the early search... Dr Vincent
        Tabak, could not have been at home to make the 2 searches.. (he left 1:38am) (searches done 1:46am and
        1:47am)  Dr Vincent Tabak was picking Tanja up at the time..

(32)  An explanation as to why the defence new Joanna yeates had died between 9:00pm and 9:30pm.. and the
        defence had already put Dr Vincent Tabak at home until 9:29pm

(33)  How the Defence didn't pick up on the fact the prosecution allowed the jury to add a word to there document..
        Changing the defintion of the search Dr Vincent Tabak supposedly did.

(34)   The High courts Document of 27th July 2011, stating that Dr Vincent Tabak was guilty of the murder, before
          he had been tried..

(35)   The Drive times it would have taken Dr Vincent Tabak to complete various journeys..

(36)   Witness statements from the fire brigade as to what the scene was like when they attended and why it took
          4 hours for then to be called..

(37)    A proper explanation as to why is was a sexually motivated attack, when no signs of a sexual assault
          existed.

(38)   A demonstration at Joanna Yeates Flat of how the body was moved from room to room, then next door to
         Dr Vincent Tabak Flat , then put in a Bicycle bag and then into a car boot..,.. No timings of this event took
         place to see if it was even possible..( needed lifting ..No drag marks visible)

(39)   The CCTV from Clifton Suspension Bridge, the Police had used to speak to one witness/suspect

(40)   Bank records of Dr Vincent Tabaks apparent purchasing of call girls

(41)   The American prostitute, who claimed Dr Vincent Tabak tried to use chloroform on her in a sex game (
          would show his sexual proclivaties ....) was there proof of purchase of chloroform.. was any used on Jo Yeates??
(42)   Any female person whom Dr Vincent Tabak had come onto in the past..(advances denied)

(43)    The Morson family and there relationship with Dr Vincent Tabak.

(44)    The questioning of why Joanna Yeates phone still worked on Sunday 19th Dec 9:00pm when it had been used
          all day friday and people had tried to contact her on several occasions.( could mean she died on a different
          day)..
(45)    The finger prints missing from the TV Dr Vincent Tabak, supposedly turned off..

(46)    The finger prints missing from the oven that Dr Vincent Tabak supposedly turned off

(47)    Any finger prints of Dr Vincent Tabak anywhere in the flat..

(48)    Joanna Yeates black handbag she is seen carrying..

(49)    Greg being asked if he left Bernard the cat inside the house

(50)    How Joanna Yeates Travelled to work that morning, we know she walked back... did they walk as a rule?? or did they drive to work??

I could go on and on... But you get the picture....

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Oh yes... one more.... "PICTURES of what was inside the FORENSIC TENT if Joanna Yeates wasn't!!!!!

I've now found out there's two Tents??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8858241/Prostitute-claims-Joanna-Yeatess-killer-Vincent-Tabak-tried-to-strangle-her.html


There's Andrew mrswah... number 28!!!!!

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Well this is NEWS to me.........

After the murder conviction and Mr Tabak’s unsuccessful appeal, he was summonsed to Court to face the child pornography charges. After denying it, he pleaded guilty on 2nd March 2015 and was sentenced to 10 months.

http://ukcriminallawblog.com/vincent-tabak-jailed-for-child-pornography/

WHAT APPEAL !!  did he ever appeal..... I don't know that he did!!

What was his defence?

We don’t know. There was legal argument as to whether he could have a fair trial, and after the Judge ruled that he could, the guilty pleas were entered.

Where the images pseudo, there where 4 computers and a hard drive they got the info from... where they Dr Vincent Tabak images?

In any event, the protection regime will almost certainly be completely different when Mr Tabak comes to be released (if he ever is). So, I am not completely convinced by the argument. Although it could be said that there is no harm in prosecuting him, this whole procedure will have cost more than 5 figures (it’s always difficult to judge). At a time when cases are not being properly pursued because of a lack of resources, a decision to prosecute impacts on other cases and means (sadly) that other victims of crime don’t get the justice they deserve. Is that a price worth paying?

TAGSVINCENT TABAK

This case is not quite in the same category as Garry Glitter last week, and the finding of the Judge is certainly not a surprise. The case of Stuart Hall does show that juries are pretty robust, more so that I would have imagined (so I may be being unduly cautious, but this is an area that would benefit from some further research.

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A little thought.... if the Judge agreed with the jury and  decided that Dr Vincent Tabak had indeed attacked Joanna Yeates, with the supposed PROOF that it was sexually motivated...

Why didn't he give him a miniumum tariff of 30 years???

." Tabak must now serve a minimum of 20 years in prison, some may feel that this is not long enough.  The Criminal Justice Act 2003 allows a minimum term of 30 years to be set if it can be established that sexual or sadistic conduct was involved in an offence.

http://www.lawmentor.co.uk/blog/2011/10/29/just-verdict-vincent-tabak/

Quote from The Judge:

The Judge said "I think there was a sexual element to this killing.... In my view you are very dangerous.In my opinion you are thoroughly deceitful, dishonest and manipulative

http://lawpages.co.uk/court-cases/Vincent-Tabak-7570-1.law

The sexual Intent was needed to prove that Dr Vincent Tabak committed murder and not manslaughter:

So why did the judge not give him the minimum tarriff of 30 years....???????

Was it established that it was sexually motivated???

Or should Dr Vincent Tabak been inprisoned for Manslaughter???

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I have a real conumdrum: (The Cider inside Joanna Yeates Flat....)

The cider that is shown in the pictures below is a specialised cider, and I wouldn't presume whether Bargain Booze had speciality beers in their store at that time:

Here's my problem: when I do a search on specified dates between 17/12/2010 and 31/12/2010  there are no results available to purchase the beer... Or buy online for a store such as Bargain Booze..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=healeys+cider&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1006&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A17%2F12%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A25%2F12%2F2010&tbm=

And when I change my search to include and up to the date Dr Vincent Tabak went to trial: Range from 17/12/2010 to 17/10/2011 I get this:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=healeys+cider&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1006&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A17%2F12%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A17%2F10%2F2011&tbm=


10th January 2011 being the first search available about healeys..

Healeys Farm home page has a date of 2012 at the bottom so I don't know when they started selling cider online, but it cannot be those dates above in 2010:

The only way to get Healeys Cider before those dates I think is to purchase it from the Farm shop in cornwall:
A trip to Cornwall is needed.. (IMO)

So is the Healeys cider in the Jury photo's what was purchased:

Or DID the perpetrator leave it  behind and what did the reciept from Bargain Booze show as regards the type of cider purchased...

Or was that reciept not available????

Did the Jury see the Bargain Booze reciept??


Did they check to see if Dr Vincent Tabak had every had Healey's Cider at home??

She kept her receipt from Tesco, so where's the Bargain Booze reciept!!

The above is confusing... can anyone shed any light on when Healeys sold to supermarkets and if Bargain Booze did at the time... Also what happened to the Reciept from Bargain Booze....



If this search I've done is correct and Healeys did not supply to Bargain Booze at the time in 2010..

Would this be classed as new evidence for COURT!!!


Search i did today at Bargain Booze online: http://www.bargainbooze.co.uk/catalogsearch/result?q=healeys

http://www.bargainbooze.co.uk/catalogsearch/result?q=healey%27s+cider+


I would have thought a store that sells beer at Bargain Prices would not have speciality beers on offer (IMO)

https://thecornishcyderfarm.co.uk/hello-world/


The video that is available of Joanna Yeates doesn't show what cider she purchased, But I believe the Jury saw her purchase cider as she went back to get the second bottle.. ( Don't know if they noted the type of cider it was?)


I may be being a bit uneducated about cider, But, why is there a wine cork bottle top there when the bottle looks like it has a screw lid?

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This is my post above about the Cider bottle and whether or not you could buy it from Bargain Booze at the time..

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg368125#msg368125

But then the CORK in the picture caught my eye so i investigated what it was:

If you look at the attached pictures you can see it is a CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE CORK!!!

TATTINGER REIMS.........

No mention of Champagne was ever mentioned in court...


Or That Joanna Yeates Had drunk Champagne that night......

EDIT:  Greg Reardon had removed all of his possesions from the flat before the Jury had seen it... So if the cork was anything to do with the two of them, he would have kept it for sentimental reasons....

( No sudden excuse now.... On the reason why the champagne cork is on the table with the Healey's cider)!!

So.. who's cork was it??

SURELY NOW PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!!!!

I can only use what is available for anyone to investigate.... New Evidence... New Trial

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=joanna+yeates+flat++the+cider+on+the+table&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1006&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje_dbHpuDQAhUGBsAKHbeNBloQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=hbo9IaizNqYnjM%3A

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/gallery-inside-the-home-of-tragic-joanna-1084171


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Nine

I am pretty sure VT never appealed-----if he did, the public didn't hear about it.

Many of the accounts we read in the media are not accurate---don't you remember the report that said VT and Tanja had split up before Jo's murder?  Next thing , he is off to spend Christmas and New Year with her, so obviously not accurate.

They could not prove that he had committed a sex offence.  The pathologist did not think Jo had been sexually assaulted, although he did not rule it out.  I believe the prosecution wanted to make it look like a sex offence though, and they wanted to introduce all that "bad character evidence" at the trial,  but the judge would not allow it.

The prosecution  wanted to make the jury believe it was a sex offence, IMO, because-------they did not have a motive.

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I'll refer back to my post about the Healeys Classic reserve Cyder:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg368125#msg368125

It doesn't come in 330ml bottles..

I've found a reference that she bought two 330ml bottles of cider:

http://www.regionalpressawards.org.uk/userfiles/files/Winners2011/entries-201100090-00400.pdf

ONE of the shops
that Joanna Yeates
stopped at on her
journey home has
changed its name.
Bargain Booze in
Clifton Village,
where Miss Yeates
bought two 330ml
bottles of cider on her
way back to her flatin
Canynge Road, has
reverted to its previous
name and sign –
Baryah’s.

So the question is ... where did the HEALEYS Cider come from... The Healeys Classic Reserve doesn't come in that smaller sized bottle!!!

Lets not forget the TATTINGER REIMS champagne cork either...

New questions must arise from the fact that the Cider is not what she bought from Bargain Booze!!!

And the way she held her Black Bag.. Maybe the Champagne was inside it.....

I'm sure I remember her mum saying at court when they saw Jo in bargain booze she was looking at her phone.. (I thought she must have got a message).. And went back and bought another bottle of cider.


Healey's  Classic Reserve come in 750ml bottle.......

So....... WHERE DID THE CIDER COME FROM!!!!!


I am more than positive Dr Vincent Tabak, didn't turn up with a Bottle of Healey's Cider and a Bottle of Tattinger Champagne!!!

The Cider Bottle is sat on the table in the alcove...(cork next to it)....

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How do we know what Jo bought in Bargain Booze------never heard anything about a receipt, only one for the pizza.

Or did Greg, on returning from Sheffield, see the cider in the kitchen (we know he saw it and finished the open bottle),  and  when it was revealed that there was  CCTV of Jo in Bargain Booze, he, Jo's parents and the police assumed that was what she had bought there?  After all, the shop assistant in Bargain Booze did not remember serving Jo. He/she was asked.

No evidence as to what she bought there, as far as I can see, only that she went there.

Presumably, they had alcoholic drinks in their flat, as they were preparing for a party (weren't they???).  The person who might have known what was new, was Greg.  Or, perhaps he wouldn't have done:  my hubby  hasn't a clue what drinks I have bought in for Christmas!!

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I just wanted to add a clearer picture of the front room:


You can see the bottle of cider on the table clearer...
It's on the left hand side of the table in the alcove...

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How do we know what Jo bought in Bargain Booze------never heard anything about a receipt, only one for the pizza.

Or did Greg, on returning from Sheffield, see the cider in the kitchen (we know he saw it and finished the open bottle),  and  when it was revealed that there was  CCTV of Jo in Bargain Booze, he, Jo's parents and the police assumed that was what she had bought there?  After all, the shop assistant in Bargain Booze did not remember serving Jo. He/she was asked.

No evidence as to what she bought there, as far as I can see, only that she went there.

Presumably, they had alcoholic drinks in their flat, as they were preparing for a party (weren't they???).  The person who might have known what was new, was Greg.  Or, perhaps he wouldn't have done:  my hubby  hasn't a clue what drinks I have bought in for Christmas!!

I'll try find the video with her mum saying that Jo had bought one bottle of cider , looked at her phone then went to get another bottle of cider....

There are reports of her buying two 330ml bottle of cider from Bargain booze...

The reports said that Greg finished the bottle of cider she had opened....
You think the Police would have noticed the cider was not the correct one...

And why leave a champagne Cork next to it on the table??? never mentioned in evidence.....

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Having imbibed in several
alcoholic drinks there, she decided at 8.00 pm to go home and proceeded to walk home in the snow,
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stopping at one shop to buy two bottles of cider and at another shop to buy one ready-prepared and
uncooked pizza.

. He saw two bottles of cider, one partly used. He drank the remains of the
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partly used cider and he too, like Vincent Tabak, said that he ate a supper of pizza, from their
freezer.

Miss Yeates body discovered 3 miles away
On Friday 17 December 2010, as Greg Reardon left for Sheffield after work, Miss Yeates went to
The Bristol Ram, a public house near her place of work, in order to socialise and have some drinks
with people she knew. She always did that every Friday evening after work. Having imbibed in
several drinks of cider there, she decided at 20.00 hours to go home and proceeded to walk home,
stopping en route to buy two bottles of cider and one uncooked, ready-made cheese and tomato
pizza. She is alleged to have been seen by a vicar on her way home in the snow, Father George

Apartment 1 on Sunday, 19 December 2010 in the evening at 8.00 pm. As Miss Yeates was not at
home he waited, drank a half-empty bottle of cider he saw in the kitchen

http://philpapers.org/archive/RAMTMT-4.pdf


the above quotes are from the trial.... Sally Ramage papers....

She definetley bought two bottles of cider... and I don't think it was Healey's Cider!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8228350/Joanna-Yeates-murder-architect-stopped-at-shop-to-buy-alcohol-on-night-she-disappeared.html

The 25-year-old architect went into Bargain Booze on Bristol's Regent Street - just a few metres
from the Tesco Express where she bought the pizza - and purchased some cider.

The two bottles of cider

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Yeates also bought two bottles of cider on her way home. This led to speculation she had bought one for her and one for a guest she was expecting.

The explanation: CCTV footage of Yeates in the off-licence was shown in court. She picked up one bottle of cider, stepped away, then returned and grabbed a second, suggesting it had been a spontaneous purchase and was for her. According to the defence, Yeates opened one of the bottles and may have taken a sip from it before she was killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-murder-mysteries-explained

Police hunting for the killer of Joanna Yeates have revealed that the architect had purchased two bottles of cider on the night she disappeared and left one in her flat half-finished.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8229368/Joanna-Yeates-left-half-drunk-cider-bottle-when-she-disappeared.html

Did Joanna Yeates buy cider for her killer? Half-drunk bottle could provide vital clue in police hunt for murderer

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342172/Did-Joanna-Yeates-buy-cider-killer-Bottle-clue-police-hunt.html#ixzz4S9c0ACQh

Security images from the Bargain Booze store in Clifton show her buying the 330ml bottles for around £4 before heading home.

Think that covers the cider purchase ......

Also it's mentioned in the video: Murder at christmas part one...

`stopping first at Waitrose ,But doesn't buy anything...She pops into a shop to buy two Bottles of cider..

From 8:00 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X5I4eOKIBs

I thought everyone knew she bought the Cider from BargainBooze!!

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why are there two Forensic tents...?

One to the opening to the left and one further up?

The first picture is the second tent...

On The picture that looks slightly foggy, You can just see it's outline and what looks like its diagonal pole:
Between the guy stood up in Black and the vehicle to the right of the picture, you can just make out the second tent:


Anyone notice the lack of snow?

So which one didn't cover Joanna Yeates???

Anyone got any ideas what that silver frame thing is to the right and just in front of the tent?

Or is there 3?..... The first picture is definetley what looks like a wall, but that is on the opposite side of the road, the  picture is taken, going up...  But where the tents are on the left, there is no wall...It's fencing!

It gets weirder ...

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Extra tent to the right.....

Why so many Tents???

If the Tent to the right is where Joanna Yeates was found, why didn't someone see her sooner?

Is there an opening close to there ??

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I found this quote from a user called Tiddly Dee

Oh, and who was a witness to the images of children apparently found on his computer? Why haven’t the children been identified? Why haven’t Tabak’s associates been identified???? Ann Reddrop was involved in this, and she knew it was important to identify the children—she did an excellent job over the “Little Ted ” nursery case.

https://innocent.org.uk/2016/01/11/anthony-steele/

Has a good article about a man wrongly convicted:

Good question she raises... why where the children in the supposed photo's not identified.. Again the prosecution, got a guilty plea without having to fight a case...

That says more to me about Dr Vincent Tabak than anything... sounds like he's crushed, cannot fight a system that has already proven what it can do...

In this day and age where child abuse is at a high, I believe the Crown should be concentrating on getting people behind bars who are the real perv's.. whilst wasting money on Dr Vincent Tabak, to take him to court, where the
only purpose I could see was to bolster what I believe, is the original.. conviction..

There are no children under protection from this prosecution, because i believe that the pics were probably pseudo, they could have been as innocent as his nephews and neices running naked on a beach..

There are families out there who need the support of the police and services to protect them, and they waste money on a case with no real foundation....

There's limited funds for real prosecutions...And more and more keep coming to the attention of the police and media... Give them the money to prosecute there tormentors.... And not wasting it on charges that were only there for the prosecution to convince themselves they had the rightman....

The prosecution seem to be waving a flag, saying...See we told you he was a bad man, without any real concequences.. (it has achieved nothing)..

He was given 10 months, he won't be on any register.. He will go back to Holland.....

So what did they achieve? Only to keep in the mind of people that they supposedly convicted the right man for the murder of poor Joanna Yeates....



Maybe when he puts his head above the paripits and possibly says he wants to fight his conviction, someone comes alone with a big stick and shuts him up..(IMO)...

Because many of you have found it strange that he hasn't launched an appeal even if you haven't agreed with what I have said...

It is ODD that he hasn't launched an appeal, or anyone hearing ANYTHING about Dr Vincent Tabak....

That's sounds to me just like his application for Bail... There not gonna let him do it..(IMO)....

Look how they made CJ look when they wanted him to be the murderer.... plenty of people in the country believed what was said...

Why do you think they never let CJ off the hook immediately after Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest??