Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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I will say....

That everything to do with this trial should be ......

Lekker Lekker..!!!

A Dutch saying...

Try accompany that with your hand at a jaunty angle waving by the side of your face!!!!

Believe me I have tried and I could never quite master The Angle the Hand should be placed at no matter how hard I tried!!!!!

And you have a Dutch expression...

Then try to convey that saying that expression to an English Jury who has never heard of it.... Then maybe it May be understood why an English Jury and an English System did not Understand a DUTCHMAN!!!!

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 I want to look at the Trial and what I have discovered...

A Dutch interpreter was brought into the dock to make sure the defendant understood medical terms.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html

This is news !!!!!

This throws up allsorts!!!

So we have... interpretor at inital apperance.
No Iterpretor at The Old Bailey
And an interpreter at part of the trial..

This gets more intrguing!!



So... interpreter at first apperance...

No interpreter at the old Bailey i'm aware of..

And interpreter used in part of his trial???

As I say.. ivestigations need to be made..



Who decided that an interpretor was needed????

Also... why didn't he have one before..... Who in their wisdom decided what parts of the English Language that Dr Vincent Tabak really understood!!!!

This brings more concerns...........

Now with Law interpretors have certain conditions to follow... In Police custody for instance and in court...

Interpreter for the defendant
If a defendant requires an interpreter to interpret the proceedings, it is the responsibility of the court to arrange for the attendance and payment of an independent interpreter. See Prosecution of Offences Act 1985 section 19(3)(b) (Archbold 6-39). Where there is more than one defendant, each should have a separate interpreter.

A plea is uninformed if the defendant has not fully understood the nature of the case to which he is pleading because of his inadequate understanding of the language and because of the inadequate explanation given by his legal representative See Cuscani v UK (2002 All ER (D) 139 (Sep).

It is important that CPS liaise with the court and the police to ensure that the court is aware of the need for an independent interpreter and any other relevant information, in order that an appropriate interpreter can be selected (see also Archbold 4-37).

It is important that an interpreter used at a police station or in the course of investigations by other investigating agencies is not engaged to interpret in the courtroom. If, however, it is not possible to find another interpreter (for example, where the language is rare) the Court and all parties must be notified of the intention to use the same interpreter for the court proceedings, (see Note for Guidance C13 A in PACE Code C) See also Regina (Bozturk) v Thames Magistrates' Court Times Law Reports 26 June 2001.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/interpreters/

I am Confused???????   

At what point was it ever decided that Dr Vincent Tabak understood what the charges brought against him were???

If he needs an Interpreter in Court for Medical explanations, how was that first explained to him when he was being questioned by the Police????

Where are the transcribed Documents of the Interpreter??

This is weird..........  So when the trial was being recorded by the Stenographer did she write the interpreters Dutch she had spoken to Dr Vincent Tabak???

I say this because you would need an accurate record of the Dutch that the Translator said to make sure that it was correct, incase at some point it needed to be challenged..

Was the interpreter Independant???

Who supplied the Interpreter???? The Defence???? Should have been.....

I am wholly flumoxed at this point in time.. I really do need to understand this and it's possible implications regarding Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!

I am going to look into this....

I do remember on his first court appearance that he had an Interpreter by his side!!!

So.. Investigations needed...

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                                                       The Interpreter............. EDIT...(or how to torture a Dutchman)

I have many questions regarding the Interpreter and the use:

When Dr Vincent Tabak first appears in court to be charged on the 24th January 2011 he had an Interpreter by his side as well as Police Officer..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349921/Joanna-Yeatess-6ft-4ins-neighbour-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder.html

He is due to appear before Bristol Crown Court tomorrow when he is expected to apply for bail.

Well we Know that didn't happen.... My Underlying Question is WHY??

So If he has needed an Interpreter for his appearance to be charged by the same token there must have been an Interpreter at the Police station I would have Imagined!!

4.4. Interpreters for defendants: Police responsibilities
4.4.1.Where the police or other investigating agency charge a person with an offence
and detain or bail that person for a court hearing within two working days of
charge (eg the following day or over a weekend or a Bank Holiday), because of
shortage of time the police or other investigating agency will arrange the
interpreter for the court hearing. It is important that so far as possible the
interpreter arranged for court is not the one who interpreted at the police
station either for the police or the defendant’s solicitors at any stage prior
to the court appearance. If however it is not possible to find another
interpreter (for example where the language is rare) then the Court and all
parties must be notified of the intention to use the same interpreter for the
court proceedings and agree to that course of action.

So if the Police had to arrange an Interpreter for his court apperance, then surely he must have had one at the Police station?????

If he has an Interpreter at the Police Station then there should be an amount of Dutch that needs writting and Translating....

Does this Initial Interview with Police :

(A): Have a Dutch Interpreter

(B): Have Written translated text

(C): Did He Have an Interpreter

I came to the Impression he must have... Am I wrong????

If they follow Protocol for an Interpreter to be in attendance in court, then surley that would suggest that Dr Vincent Tabak had an Interpreter when he was in custody!!!

A source told The Sun: “It was decided to move him for his own good. There are a lot of local people in Bristol Prison and he could have been at risk because feelings locally are running high.”

The Dutchman yesterday appeared at Bristol Crown Court wearing the same bright red sweater and borrowed glasses he wore at his first court hearing on Monday.

Why hasn't he got his own glasses back by this point????? How has he been able to see what he is doing or make decissions... He obviously wears prescription glasses!!

http://swns.com/news/vincent-tabak-moved-prison-over-attack-fears-14290/

He was brought into the dock at Court One chained to a custody officer with his hands handcuffed behind his back.

So... where is the Interpreter????? They mentioned one being there when he appeared for his first time...

Paul Cook, defending the Dutch academic, confirmed his client did not wish to make an application for bail. He was remanded in custody and will appear in a preliminary hearing on Monday January 31.

Ok......... If he is in court for a Bail hearing without an Interpreter , does he really understand what Bail is????

Where is the Interpreter????????

This doesn't appear to be fair......
A Forgien National without an Interpreter appearing in court not being able to see properly...

Sensory Deprivation.....

If they have been Interviewing him without an Interpreter at the Police station and all the time he's wearing glasses that he has borrowed that where obviously not made for him to see through... How can that be fair and right?????

He must have been completeley disoriented!!!

Wow....


Lets take a look at this........... "SENSORY DEPRIVATION"!!!!!

Now it sounds like an Interrogation Technique to me........

The way in which the physical Enviroment- can effect the physiological state of suspects whilst they are in custody,have been discussed in detail by Hinkle(1961) and Shallice (1974),Social Isolation,sensory deprevation.fatigue,hunger,the lack of sleep, physical and emotional Pain,and threats are all factors that can powerfully influence the decision making of suspects and the reliability of their statements. According to Hindle (1961), these factors commonly result in impaired judgement, mental confusion and disorientation,and increasing suggestability.

Oh WOW...... So maybe this torturous approach lead to Dr Vincent Tabak not APPLYING FOR BAIL!!!!!!!!!!!

And why they gained a FALSE CONFESSION!!!!!!!!! (IMO)

However....... the personality of a man and his attitude towards the experience that he is undergoing will affect his ability to withstand it

My Lord...........

Think we'll hang fire with the Interpreter for a Mo.....

I'm sat here in complete shock..... I'm just trying to get my head around what they actually did to this DUTCHMAN!!!!

Lets look at the first quote...

If he has had his means of sight taken away from him and has been deprived as we are ALL Well aware of the contact with Family or his girlfriend for nearly 25 Days..

Been moved prisons 3 times ... Put in a Prison with a glass door...
And I'm listening to NO CRAP about it being for his own supposed protection!!!!!!

These are Torture Techniques!!!!!!!!!

Sensory Deprivation
Sensory deprivation is perhaps the most popular type of torture. Otherwise known as perceptual isolation, sensory deprivation involves removing stimuli – light, sound, smell – from one or more of the senses. On an everyday basis, sensory deprivation remains the punishment for disobedient prisoners around the world. Almost every prison in the world has a solitary confinement cell that has some level of sensory deprivation, and some inmates are subjected to such conditions for months and even years at a time.

VISION!!!!!!

http://www.hightech-edge.com/effects-sensory-deprivation-cia-torture/10430/


Oh My.........

So the Isolation in Long Larton in a Glass fronted Cell with the inability to see properly... And not having anyone he knows see him for nearly 25 days classes as TORTURE in my Book!!!! (IMO)

This is Outrageous....

Couple that with an IMAGINARY CHAPLAIN... telling you he's going to the Authorities to tell them that you have confessed to a murder you have NOT committed...

Leave him in clothes that smell and god know where they came from as he didn't have anyone to bring him his own clothing as they did not see him...

And he was a smart and tidy young man....

Add too the fact the second quote states depends on their personality...

Well we all know about the PLACID DUTCHMAN!!!!!

In the Policemans own words:

A very Placid individual to deal with

And you have a SITTING DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

They are down right disgraceful...(IMO)

They May dress it up in what ever guise they want but I am NOT Falling for it!!!!

They deprived a Placid man of one of his senses, they isolated him, the put him in a cell where he would have NO Privacy what so ever and to Top It all they have someone lie about what he was supposed to have said!!!!


I'm definetley going to have to come back to this Interpreter business... I'm sticking with this at the moment!!!

How long did this Treatment of Dr Vincent Tabak go on for??????

Torture techniques are used on people who are supposed to be in places and country who use this as a standard technique... Not in what I thought was CIVILIZED UK!!!!

I actually feel sick.....

How have we as a Nation come to treat a Forgein National that have No way of fighting a system they don't understand and use how ever subtle you may think this is .... It's still a Torturous Technique ... It is still an interrogation Technique that has been used around the world for people they think deserve this type of treatment..(IMO)

Personally I think Torture in any form is abhorent!!!!

Does this throw up the question as to the Safety of this Conviction of Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!!!!!

In My Opinion .... YES!!!!!

NEVER MIND GETTING SHOUTY....... I FEEL LIKE GETTING SWEARY!!!!!!!!

So you have a Dutch National in custody, who may or may not have an Interpreter, who has had one of his senses removed, who has not been given contact with his girlfriend or family for roughly 25 days, is in clothes that are probably not his....

We don't even know what sleep was available to him?????

Probably not too much when you are in a GLASS FRONTED CELL!!!!!!!!!!! (And don't tell me it was because he was SUICIDAL!!!........ Because I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!!!!!!)

Just another Technique to wear this prisoner down!!!!!!!

I don't know about anyone else but i'm sat her in total shock, when I realise what they actually did to this POOR MAN!!!!!

So you still think the Porns real?????
The Child Porn????????
The Confession safe????
The Searches that he could not have done???
The Supposed DNA???

I think it's all a BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!! (IMO)


HE WAS AN EASY PLACID MAN TO MANIPULATE....  That was all.....

If This is Not DURESS then GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!

If this technique was used right up until  he appears in court.. then its No suprise he pleaded GUILTY to Manslaughter and sat in a DOCK SOBBING!!!!!!!

They could at will give and remove his glasses at anytime..... who is to know!!!!!!!

Set of Disgraceful people!!!!! (IMO)

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GtB65IADRjIC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=sensory+deprivation+in+police+custody&source=bl&ots=83h7R1HdvK&sig=Cw_6Stfmkv7dJvHcbk3NvoPfp18&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivkKf4gLLRAhXCORQKHQYnAPEQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=sensory%20deprivation%20in%20police%20custody&f=false


https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/media/22379/1596-Use%20of%20interpreters%20policy%20document.pdf

THEY TORTURED A PLACID DUTCHMAN(IMO)!!!!!!!

Is this way they treated Dr Vincent Tabak classed as White Torture ???? Or a more subtler form of White Torture???????


White torture is a type of psychological torture, that includes extreme sensory deprivation and isolation. Carrying out this type of torture makes the detainee lose personal identity through long periods of isolation.

Once Prisoners are worn down, with these methods No matter how subtle they appear to be , the Prisoner loses their Identity and control... And will confess to ANYTHING(IMO)

Losing SIGHT

Losing CONTACT WITH FAMILY AND GIRLFRIEND (for nearly 25 days!!)

Losing PRIVACY


What else did Dr Vincent Tabak LOSE!!!!!


This man wears GLASSES in his every day life No matter what he is doing!!!!

I always wondered why his eyes looked weird on the photo that is used when he's been arrested... It doesn't really even look like him (IMO)


Picture 5 is of him once arrested!!!!!

Does this mean his Human Rights Were Violated!!!!!!

Oh Yes And to top it all...... where was the Phsycological Evaluation of this man!!!!!!!!

Never had a Dr In court to say about his Mental STATE!!!! 

I wonder WHY!!!!!

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Everytime you re-read something, you find a new revelation:!!!!

The post I did before of Joanna Yeates being Fully clothed when found with Nothing missing... below

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg369628;topicseen#msg369628

There has quite often been speculation as to whether Joanna Yeates had a coat on (read above post)...

Whether she was Abducted, whether she arrived home and was there far longer than the Prosecution will have us believe (IMO)...


But The one thing I have always tried to determine is the "PINK T-SHIRT"..


We have the CCTV of her in the Ram Pub.... But when she emeges from the Toilet it's in Black And White so you cannot determine the colour...

But I did Notice the little pleates in the front of it...(or puckering)...  So that in itself makes the top distinctive...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8825277/Court-shown-Joanna-Yeates-bar-CCTV.html

So the T- shirt whether agreeing it is Pink is plain and to me looks a little more like a top than  T-shirt...

But lets not split hairs at this point.... Lets call it a T-shirt for arguments sake...

It a plain Pink T-shirt that, made Dr Vincent tabak re-inact the scene he had viewed on the morning of the 17th December 2010

Remember the girl in the car boot!!!!!

So on saying that ..... why am I questioning it???

Good point!!!

Because when ever you read an Article or text that's written we all skim at some point because we know what is coming so some not all people will not take all the detail in, and the likelyhood of going back to something years later, its fairly safe to say is not likely...

So... I have all my tabs open as usual and I'm looking at link that I have been made available when i come across this...

Now I know I have READ this Article plenty times... But I've obviously skimmed across it, or else I would have picked up on this little nugget before....

There were apparent blood stains on her flower patterned pink top but no signs of injuries to her genitalia, Dr Delaney said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html


Hellooooooo......... Did you see it ...coz I've missed this plenty of times!!!!!

flower patterned pink top

Just incase you missed that !!!!!!!!

FLOWER....... FLOWER..... (PATTERENED)

So .. No plain PINK Top then??????????????????????

What the What what!!!!......

Why has this info slipped by???????

Because we are all drawn to the fact that the top she wore was PINK!!!!!!!!!!!

We know what it looks like because of the CCTV in The Ram and that other picture of her Holding Bernard in a pink top....

Girl in a boot in a pink top.....

We are programmed to THINK PINK!!!!!!!!! How many times was it mentioned before he went on Trial in October 2011....
That Joanna Yeates wore a PINK T-SHIRT..... numerous times I believe... So when it's reported what happened at trial.... we skim... because we have seen that information before plenty of times....


Another thing that gets my goat is the description of the missing sock......

How can they state that this sock is SIZE 5 ???????

I don't think there is anywhere you can buy socks in SIZE 5


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8241098/Joanna-Yeates-may-have-been-strangled-with-own-sock.html

Mr Jones said he was “keeping an open mind” on the possibility that the size 5 sock had been used as the murder weapon, and on the suggestion that the killer kept it as a souvenir.

Sock come in a range of sizes:

SIZE CHART
SOCK SIZE   UK & IRE SHOE SIZE   EU SHOE SIZE
S   2–5   34–38
M   5–8   38–42
L   8–11   42–46
XL   11–14.5   46–50

http://www.bridgedale.com/sock-sizing

Women’s sizing chart

Size   Size Code   Sizing Letter   UK   Europe   USA   CM
 Small   5   w S   3 - 4½   35 - 37   4 - 6½   21.0 - 23.0
 Medium   6   w M   5 - 6½   38 - 40   6½ - 8   23.0 - 25.0
 Large   7   w L   7 - 8½   41 - 43   8½ - 10   25.0 - 27.0

So how can you claim that the Missing Sock was a SIZE 5????????

So... Does this now bring into question whether she could have actually left her flat??

CJ said he'd heard people at the little Gate...
We have the Healeys Cider And the Tattinger Reims champagne cork....
We have a Policeman who Initially says "FULLY CLOTHED" more than once....

And if we are using neighbours and scream to determine time of death, we have Kingdom saying he heard someone shout :Help Me"... Mid Morning on the 18th December 2011

And we now have apparently what appears to be a completeley different Top on to what we can see her wearing when exiting the Toilet at The Bristol Ram!!!!!!

Oh my Lordy Lord.... Speechless!!!!!!!

Footage of the landscape architect drinking with friends in the Ram pub in Bristol has been released after it was shown to the jury at Vincent Tabak's murder trial.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8825277/Court-shown-Joanna-Yeates-bar-CCTV.html

So NOBODY knew what this Tshirt really looked like till after the Trial.....

Again..... Its a PLAIN TSHIRT whether it is PINK or NOT!!!!!!!! (Flower Patterned)

And we didn't know until after they banged the Dutchman up!!!!!!!!

So the Yeates family wouldn't have been able to confirm or deny whether the clothes she was found in where the clothes she wore on the Friday 17th December 2010... (they would have been too distraught).....

Because I do not believe they saw The Bristol Ram footage Till court...

And when she was discovered I do not believe that they would have been paying attention to the clothes she was wearing...(distraught)

So..... How did they identify that the clothes that Joanna Yeates was found in were the same clothes she was seen wearing in The Bristol Ram PUB!!!!!!!!!!!

The T-shirt is puckered as she exits and NOT FLOWERED PATTERNED And the Back of the T-Shirt is also PLAIN!!!!!


The Article that the Flower Patterned Pink T-Shirt is mentioned in...  I believe is the day that the Yeates family stayed away from court... The Friday!!!

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Now with my above post it brings another possibilty to mind why her top was rucked up....

Was it to hide the fact that there was a FLOWER PATTERN on there!!!!!!!

Now there's a thought..........

[John]

Nine. I haven't been following this thread too closely recently but can I ask you something.  What is it that convinces you that Vincent Tabak might be innocent?

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Nine. I haven't been following this thread too closely recently but can I ask you something.  What is it that convinces you that Vincent Tabak might be innocent?

Hi john

I think you need conviction in anything you believe in..... I would say that after the trial at first like the crowd I went with what was said... But was still in two minds even at that time........

And There were things that always niggled me..

And the one of the first things that really bothered me was his Defence...

Now I do not believe your personal opinions should come into it when your argueing for a Defendant unless they are supporting your client...

I couldn't get my head around the fact that his Lawyer was busy letting the Jury know how dispicable his client was!!!

I'm thinking, hey... your supposed to be helping this guy here, not burying him!!
I've given examples of his Defence team before,,... Yesterday I found another quote...

I’m not going to ask you to like Vincent Tabak – there’s frankly nothing to like.
WILLIAM CLEGG QC, TABAK DEFENCE.

https://www.channel4.com/news/tabak-determined-to-kill-prosecution-claim

As you can see ... Dr Vincent Tabak had already pleaded guilty to Manslaughter... All The Defences job was at that point was to explain to a Jury that it was Manslaughter and Not Murder!!!

And these statements which they are many... are not the actions of what I believe A Defence Lawyer should be!!!!

It just kept niggle at me as I said, and then I started to really think about it...



The other thing that I couldn't understand, was why a guy would wake up one morning, go to work come home , and in no time at all go next door to a neighbour he had never met and kill her....

It seem fantastical to me... Then bob off to he shops....

There are Alarm Bells ringing with this (IMO)

I couldn't understand ,that if this was the case why he would move her..... He  really would have no need to move her..

If you are as calculating as people say you are, then the Calculations should add up!!

He doesn't need Asda as an Alibi... His Computer would do that... !!!!

He could have used the time to clean up... No one would have suspected him...

But then to bring a body into your own flat where body fluids would leak and into your own car ... seems far riskier than, leaving her in situe...

And  over the years it would always be there.... I start thinking about it..

trying to understand why a man who was Calculating, Lying,Manipulative, would not be able to give a comprehensive account of what took place, and instead sat there crying....

I kept thinking , why is he not explaning this better, why isn't he really trying to convince a Jury that it is Manslaughter.....

Also the story that he tried to implicate CJ.. didn't really ring true... I'm sure he could have come up with a far more convincing and incriminating story if his intension was to incriminate the Landlord..

At that point NO ONE knew when or if Joanna Yeates had died in her Flat or left it....... There was no real evidence either way as to whether she had left her flat or someone brought her things back!!!! (And I believe that true today..)

So how could he really be trying to incriminate the Landlord at that time 31st December 2010..
No one knew anything... At this juncture they had arrested the landlord and his face was splashed ALL over the media...
And to say his car moved is no biggy.....



 The fact that CJ And Tanja Morson were not called to give evidence seemed completely wrong....


If CJ was the man he was accusing or insinuating was the killer , then you would expect that man to Defend himself, you would expect that man to go to court and say the accusations of his tennant were wholly untrue and that he was a fantasist....
You would give your account of that tennants, general behaviour.... After all you are the Landlord, you are the head I believe of the Neighbourhood watch scheme and you have apparently witnessed someone at the little gate... Also if the Prosecution were saying this is the man he tried to incriminate... "here he is"... that would have gone along way into proving that was true...

Even give a character reference of your beautiful young tennant who's life has been robbed from her......
Talk about helping her boyfriend to get  to Sheffield, there were so many things that CJ could have said, Yet he wasn't called and I believe the Nation assumed he would be called....


Tanja Morson.... Now out of everyone she should have been called, she could have said anything about him whether good or bad , she'd be under oath so, she would have no reason to lie,..
Tanja Morson could have cohobarrated that the Bicycle cover existed... She could have said about whether or not his actions , behaviour was different..... The were a miriad of questions both the Defence and Prosecution alike could have posed to her...


His own family... If the defence were trying to show that this was not his character why wasn't his brother or sister called to give evidence to what they know their brother to be....

And confessions in general I am not totally sold on.... They need really hard evidence to back them up !!!
With the supposed Chaplain confession, I couldn't understand that!!! I couldn't understand why a man of the cloth would divulge a confession whether a person believes in god or not... It's not really what they do......

My husband cannot understand why people would confess to a crime they havent committed , because he says he never would do that...
But it's been proven time and again that people do confess....


I tried to apply common sense to this John...

I felt uncomfortable with the media after the trial... If it wasn't proven in court, you can say absolutley anything about anyone and the fact that they are not going to take you to court for slander as they also may not know this is what has been said..

You are on a pretty safe bet as to say completely anything!!!!  The Porn bothered me because of the girl in the pink T-shirt in the boot of the car.....

It just appeared ludicrous to me... I thought what are the chances of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it's supposed to be a spontaneous attack... why would he have a picture of a girl in a Pink T-shirt in the boot of a car,so as to replicate this later...

He couldn't have stalked Joanna Yeates as he was away the majority of the time from when her and Greg moved in.. he'd only been home a few days before the murder, so it has to be a spontaneous attack..... that they are implying.

So you wouldn't be replicating anything... not to the point of her wearing the same clothes... Now thats Fanatastical...

I could never understand why If he was the MAN for this crime, why they would remove information about this case from the internet!!!!

There's a wealth of information about various crimes but the information doesn't get removed... You don't get whole forums removed... Of course in such forums people say outrageous things , but that is forum all over the internet that could be applied too.. But they don't get removed...
Posts get removed... Not whole forums!!!!!!

I tried to understand why the silence.... I thought he'd have been transferred by now...

But as I said for years this just kept pecking at my head!!!
And I thought i'll try and find out as much as I can about this and then make a decision as to what I think and believe...

The list below where questions I couldn't get out of my head...

(1):Things like how hard is it to move a dead weight on your own???? Bothered me
(2):Lack of body fluids
(3):No DNA in either flat of Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates??
(4):The sudden arrest after struggling with no idea..??
(5):The crying girl not being played in court??
(6):His phone call not being played in court??
(7):Cj not being in court ??
(8):Tanja not being in court??
(9):I could never understand why her handbag was not mentioned!! ( I don't mean the rucksack)..
(10:Fire engines galore at the scene, but where were the fire brigade in court??
(11):The lack of snow on the ground when she walks past waitrose then goes in??
(12): The Pizza... why take it??? made no sense??
(13): Confession to the chaplain that the chaplain divulged and shouldn't if he was a real chaplain!!
(14) :partical DNA
(15): peoples original information changing when they were in court
(16): Her mother being convinced she had been abducted!!
(17):No other woman saying he had tried it on with them..
(18):He was socially awkward.. why suddenly be able to engage with a stranger.
(19):Why the cider wasn't removed
(20):How her phone still worked after all those days, if she died on the friday..
(21):The defence not liking their client and telling the Jury so..
(22):Timestamps missing from Video's
(23):The editing of video's
(24): A Real Motive

Now I Can definatley say about the editing of video's and it's probably not what you may think I'm reffering too.....
I was on a forum in the beinging following the trial and The Avon and Somerset Police put up a Video of Joanna Yeates being in waitrose...It had been shown to the jury, it was the first time anyone had seen this video.So everyone was anyalising this video and started to make comments on how it appeared that she was being watched by a man who was in waitrose... Now this man at the Time could have been Dr Vincent Tabak, we were not to know anything about his movements so it really shouldn't have been a problem....

But within in a short time, less than an hour if I remember correctly,, this video was slicked... They removed it from the internet and edited it before they put it back on again....They cut the people off in the video so you could not see them properly anymore... It made it difficult to see their movement and therefore you could no longer say that the man in the black coat was watching her..... You could only see this man from his waist downwards....

Now it may seem like something and nothing, but if your not trying to hide something, why interfer with a video that has just been shown in court!!!!!

It shouldn't and wouldn't make any difference to the procedings... (And as I say people were under the impression it could have been Dr Vincent Tabak following her)..

I believe you can now see the video in its entireity now... but i just couldn't understand the reason for what they did... And then for the forum to be removed , it all seemed very strange.....

Too many niggly thing that didn't add up..... No real motive No real proof of anything, the only thing that he really had against him was his admission or confession which ever way you want to look at it, that he had committed this crime...

And I have seen many times that people do admit to things that they have never done!!!!!

And with so many questions and No real answers I started to try to look into what really happened , because I began to believe that what was said was not true.....




I do believe the phone working perplexing.... From Friday morning 17th December 2010  till the 19th December At 9:00pm, with no charging and plenty of use this phone still had battery life...

It just suprises me... we don't know what phone she had but still it seems odd that it would still work as she was recieving texts etc.. even if she wasn't replying!!!!!!


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I also say if you read my posts John which i know are long, I can't see how he had the time.
I can't understand why searches he was supposed to have done he wasn't home for...


And the clothes she appears to have been found in seem to differ from what she was wearing on Friday the 17th December 2010 which you can see on video's....

There are still the odd drawing of Joanna Yeates on the Internet and I would never put them on here or anywhere, but they show her in blue Jeans, I'm sure the Jeans she has on in Tesco are Black...

The T-shirt is pulled right up, so if there is a flower pattern on the front you wouldn't be able to see it....

The fact we don't see her paying for this PIZZA but see her leaving with it from Tesco's.....

And If there are more questions than what I started with, that add up even less, then it convinces me that a man who couldn't make a search because he wasn't at home, who wasn't given access to friends or family, was a man that could easily have made a confession that wasn't true.....

The lack of Dutch.....

And of course all of the other information that I have posted about!!!!!

[mrswah]

I am not sure he even made a confession.  He did not say he had killed Joanna, he said that he was going to plead guilty (ie he said that he would say he killed Joanna.  )    I think there is a difference.


What really makes me doubt his guilt, is that they found no forensic evidence in either Joanna's flat or his.  I doubt if he had the time or the know how to clean up that thoroughly before collecting Tanja, and I doubt whether he could have done much once she was back home.

The prosecution had to rely on enhanced DNA, which is known to sometimes be unreliable.  The flat and VT's clothes---and the front door that was made such a fuss about---should have been crawling with good forensic evidence.  If VT did not kill Joanna in her flat, this makes a mockery of his story.

At the time Jo's body was found, it was said that she had no injuries apart from strangulation marks, and that there was no evidence of a sexual attack.  At the trial, she suddenly has 43 injuries, and VT killed her for sexual reasons. Weird!!   

The inquest was secret, the use of fire equipment to recover the body was barely reported, the media has been deafeningly silent since, the police had already made one cock up, they were under pressure to solve the crime , etc etc etc.

So, this is an outline of why I think he is innocent-----oh, and no previous form whatsoever, no book written about him , nobody talking-------------.     

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I agree mrswah... At No time whatsoever does Dr Vincent Tabak actually say that he killed Joannaa Yeates!!!!!!!

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I'll say something else John....

Now some years ago, there was an advert on the televison, and it was a scene where I think this lady had come out of a shop or something along those line, I think she had a purse in her hands...

Anyway, there are some youths coming towards her.... This Advert goes into slow motion as one of the youths bangs into her what looks like delibratley and she drops her purse and he picks it up......

Now this leaves you with the impression that this young lad was intent on robbing this woman..

But then it shows the same incident again at full speed and completes what actually happened and yes.....

He does bump into her and knocks her purse out of her hand, But then he picks it up and GIVES it back to her...


So the whole incident is now seen in a different light...

What I'm really trying to say is.... If all the information is not made avaiable which could have been ie...

CJ and Tanja at court and the other things I have said then, you can put whatever spin you like on the Information you allow people to see...

It doesn't mean that it is TRUE!!!!!!

[PaultheRed]

In his CV, Tabak says he is fluent in English and lists his hobbies as travelling in South and North America and Asia, photography and sailing.Tabak, a trilingual engineer, is an expert in the flow of people through buildings, including sports venues He worked for  an english company so he could obviously speak and understand it or it would be impossible to do his job he was also fluent in German too .A Dutch interpreter was present but Tabak did not appear to have any difficulty understanding proceedings during the two-minute hearing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/321964/vincents-cool-calm-incredibly-intelligent/

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In his CV, Tabak says he is fluent in English and lists his hobbies as travelling in South and North America and Asia, photography and sailing.Tabak, a trilingual engineer, is an expert in the flow of people through buildings, including sports venues He worked for  an english company so he could obviously speak and understand it or it would be impossible to do his job he was also fluent in German too .A Dutch interpreter was present but Tabak did not appear to have any difficulty understanding proceedings during the two-minute hearing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/321964/vincents-cool-calm-incredibly-intelligent/

Being Fluent in a language does not mean that you completely understand everything to do with that language..

My brother inlaw is Dutch... he's Fluent in English, But he doesn't understand all of the english language and the quirks that go with it...

I'll give you an example.....

I think it was the American X Factor... And the American public could not understand Cheryl Cole who spoke ENGLISH...

And as we know the Vast Amount of American's themselves speak ENGLISH...

Her accent stopped U.S. audiences understanding her say TV bosses
Network have pulled the plug on Cheryl's £1.2m contract
Co-host Nicole Scherzinger will take her place on the judging panel

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1390959/Cheryl-Cole-SACKED-X-Factor-USA-Geordie-accent.html#ixzz4VGzUHKwW

So Fleuncey in a Language Doesn't mean a Total understanding of that Language... And when it comes to Law and the understanding of a Trial, you are not likely to Understand all the terminology that is used...

Most English speaking people in this country struggle with Legal Jargon... So why would a Forgein national suddenly be an expert!!!!!!!

[PaultheRed]

Never said he was an expert but that he had an understanding & who are you to say he didn't , you weren't in court , you have never met the man or even spoke to him so all you are going on is your interpretation of what might be total hearsay , conjecture & pure self indulgence, you seem happy to rise points to fit your arguments without any actual fact or knowledge when it is reported in the article I have shared it states he fully understood & accepted the wording and meanings of the court proceedings ...so basically you are talking rubbish to make it fit your biased and inaccurate thoughts, ideas and arguments .

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Never said he was an expert but that he had an understanding & who are you to say he didn't , you weren't in court , you have never met the man or even spoke to him so all you are going on is your interpretation of what might be total hearsay , conjecture & pure self indulgence, you seem happy to rise points to fit your arguments without any actual fact or knowledge when it is reported in the article I have shared it states he fully understood & accepted the wording and meanings of the court proceedings ...so basically you are talking rubbish to make it fit your biased and inaccurate thoughts, ideas and arguments .

Afternoon Paul... have you just taken over from where Jixy left off!!!!

Please read what I have said and whether some of the things i say you disagree with.... Don't just say I talk rubbish...I am just a forum user ,with an opinion that i TRUELY BELIEVE that Dr Vincent Tabak is INNOCENT!!!!

You may or may not agree with anything I have said, but I''m putting back which was taken away from the internet, I'm adding information that people were not even aware of at the time...

Show me how he had time to do an INTERNET SEARCH when he was NOT AT HOME.....

Remember the two that he did at:

1:46am and 1:47am

on the 18th December 2010 when he was out picking up Tanja and having a burger.... And could not have been home!!!!

Your correct I have never met this man and I was never in court, But that doesn't stop me from having an informed opinion on something ... And in the same vain you cannot say that what I say is incorrect...

You don't know him either.... Or do you???
You weren't in court?? Or were you????

You could have a connection to this trial and case that I am NOT AWARE OF!!!!!

So... give me some answers to what I have said instead of saying the Odd thing you don't agree with that I am saying is ........That I am Talking RUBBISH!!!!

Thank you... I would appreciate that...........

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Oh Yes......

And please answer Mrswah's question about the 8 Fire Appliances that were used over 4 days to recover the body of Joanna Yeates...

They obviously didn't need them after she was at the Mortuary on the 25th December 2010.... So why were they still being used right up until the 29th December 2010...

What else was at the scene???????