Author Topic: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?  (Read 41362 times)

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Alfie

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2016, 07:17:04 PM »
Amaral must take some responsibility as far as his involvement was concerned but since he was denied the opportunity to complete the task that responsibility is somewhat mitigated.  As far as being a fall guy was concerned I believe that blame was deliberately and falsely attributed him in order to deflect blame from others.  It appears that political interference in this case had much to do with it.
Blame from which others? Who falsely blamed him?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:19:10 PM by John »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #106 on: October 28, 2016, 07:46:29 PM »
You do know what impugn means?  It isn't always to do with integrity.

impugn
ɪmˈpjuːn/
verb

to dispute the truth, validity, or honesty of (a statement or motive); call into question.

The first hit on Google.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfie

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #107 on: October 28, 2016, 08:17:06 PM »
The first hit on Google.
Perhaps you'd like to use google to find any example of impugn, impugned or impugning used in a sentence which does not call into question another's honesty and integrity then?  Should be loads of examples.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:21:25 PM by John »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #108 on: October 28, 2016, 08:26:15 PM »
Perhaps you'd like to use google to find any example of impugn, impugned or impugning used in a sentence which does not call into question another's honesty and integrity then?  Should be loads of examples.

You mean you are not interested in any opinion that counters your own.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:21:40 PM by John »
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #109 on: October 28, 2016, 09:19:58 PM »
You can see how it gets its negative connotation, those who feel that questioning is wrong use it most.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:22:35 PM by John »
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2016, 10:57:56 PM »
I have to say this one bemuses me, because I can see nothing in the files other than a reporter thought his actions were suspicious.  Can you see more?

In full acceptance of the statement made which removed all suspicion of wrongdoing by the McCanns and Murat I will not go into my thoughts from the time because they were wrong.

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Portugal's attorney-general, Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, said the police had found no evidence linking the McCanns, or fellow suspect Robert Murat, to Madeleine's suspected abduction, and lifted all conditions imposed on them.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2440157/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-officially-cleared-of-arguido-status.html

The Policia Judiciaria suspicions at the time leading to Murat's arguido status were wrong but in my belief worthy of investigation.
I do read a great deal more into the PJ record than the mere suspicion of one newspaper reporter.  It surprises me that you don't. 

The majority of people can see the wrong that would have been perpetrated if instead of latching onto Madeleine's parents Amaral had written a book of accusation directed at Murat.

Therefore far from being a 'fall guy' in my opinion Amaral has cynically manipulated a family tragedy into one of the most disgracefully self serving episodes in history.






"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2016, 01:00:48 AM »

Indeed

The word impugn is used as an alternative word to question the truth as presented which has sod all to do with defamagion, alfie is wring and frustrated as usual

It is indeed ANY policemans JOB to impugn...they would be a crap polceman if they did not...its actually what they do all the time

« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:24:06 PM by John »

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2016, 01:14:39 AM »
As there's been no trial they still enjoy the presumption of innocence in law. It means they wouldn't have to prove their innocence if charged with an offence, the onus is on the prosecution to prove their guilt.

It's a fact that the McCanns came under suspicion and were therefore made arguidos. That clearly wasn't through the efforts of one man, that would be ridiculous.

Of course it wasnt, it was through  a whole investigative team  in portual, and probably two if you include uk elements, its a shame b...... has been brainwashed or otherwise thnks these biased thoughts herself that JUst Amaral made up a theory and went with it like a rogue cop, right up to ag level LoooooL, the facts say different

Sorry for late reply and bumping points but i only get to post here late at night..oh,and yes i agree its utterly ridicukous
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:24:38 PM by John »

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #113 on: October 29, 2016, 01:22:41 AM »
Of course it wasnt, it was through  a whole investigative team  in portual, and probably two if you include uk elements, its a shame b......  has been brainwashed or otherwise thnks these biased thoughts herself that JUst Amaral made up a theory and went with it like a rogue cop, right up to ag level LoooooL, the facts say different

Sorry for late reply and bumping points but i only get to post here late at night..oh,and yes i agree its utterly ridicukous

But he was a rogue cop - and has a criminal record to prove it.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:25:06 PM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #114 on: October 29, 2016, 01:24:21 AM »
But he was a rogue cop - and has a criminal record to prove it.

Please cite the conviction for "rogue cop" ta

Rogue coos are defined by multiples of wrong doing in their job

please cite for him personally

« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 01:28:05 AM by mercury »

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #115 on: October 29, 2016, 01:27:48 AM »
Please cite the conviction for "rogue cop" ta

The conviction that got him an 18 months suspended prison sentence in the Cipriano case.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #116 on: October 29, 2016, 01:28:54 AM »
The conviction that got him an 18 months suspended prison sentence in the Cipriano case.

Thats not a cite or any proof of rogue cop, sorry

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #117 on: October 29, 2016, 01:36:01 AM »
Thats not a cite or any proof of rogue cop, sorry

Why not?    What is it a cite of then IYO if not a rogue cop.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #118 on: October 29, 2016, 01:43:59 AM »
Why not?    What is it a cite of then IYO if not a rogue cop.

No, its up to you to define a rogue cop and then defend you accusation

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #119 on: October 29, 2016, 01:52:45 AM »
No, its up to you to define a rogue cop and then defend you accusation

A rogue cop is a policeman who abuses his position of trust and behaves like a criminal himself.

Amaral has a criminal record for doing just that.

Are you saying he hasn't?   Surely not mercury?

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal