They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[slartibartfast]

Just as people in tents or caravans leave their children alone to have a B-B-Q they are on holiday and once this relaxing feeling takes over their usual on guard feeling they have when living in their usual surroundings goes out of the window.

Sorry, where do you get this from?

[xtina]

It felt like dining in a garden? But it wasn't a garden and they knew that; it was a facility with a restaurant, a bar, two swimming pools and a playground and it was full of strangers.

Were they happy and relaxed? They were certainly busy but it was cold, the kids didn't enjoy the one attempt at a family outing, one couple seemed to be isolated; breakfasting alone, lunching alone, being left out of the beach trip, sleeping apart due to boorish behaviour, worrying about the unlocked door. Not very relaxing.

Were the evenings better? Well, not exactly relaxing either. It was too cold so they needed all their warmest clothes and they had to keep going backwards and forwards to check the kids.

All in all it sounds anything but relaxing imo.

PS How do you know they always had a baby sitter at home? Because they said so?

EXACTLY


    

[mrswah]

I think the McCanns and their friends felt relaxed because they were on holiday, and, because they were in a group, they assumed they could leave their kids and go to dinner, while taking it in turns to check on them.

I would imagine lots of people on holiday with a group of friends would have felt the same way.

Kate and Gerry were tragically unlucky, and their friends were not.

They have paid for their "mistake" for nearly ten years now, and they go on paying. 

I  feel so sorry for them.

[Alfie]

I think the McCanns and their friends felt relaxed because they were on holiday, and, because they were in a group, they assumed they could leave their kids and go to dinner, while taking it in turns to check on them.

I would imagine lots of people on holiday with a group of friends would have felt the same way.

Kate and Gerry were tragically unlucky, and their friends were not.

They have paid for their "mistake" for nearly ten years now, and they go on paying. 

I  feel so sorry for them.

Quite right.  Nice empathetic point of view.

[Alfie]

The fact is that's all incorrect. The top half of the patio door was all that could be seen from the Tapas. It wasn't bathed in light as the crime scene pictures show and they weren't looking anyway. You still haven't provided a cite for your Amaral quote.

As the prosecutors said;

In effect, this group of friends was enjoying a short holiday period, therefore perfectly relaxed and it would be normal that, having dinner, inclusively with an entertainment service available [25], they were not very concerned with anything that might happen to their children during that dinner period.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

How very true, with the exception of it being 'normal'. Most 'normal' parents would find it very difficult to relax and enjoy dinner if their kids were home alone.

On ths thread you have argued both that the McCanns were perfectly relaxed and enjoying themselves on holiday, and that they were have a miserable, cold unrelaxed holiday.  So which was it?

[faithlilly]

Quite right.  Nice empathetic point of view.

The use and abuse of good people's empathy is marked in this case.

[G-Unit]

On ths thread you have argued both that the McCanns were perfectly relaxed and enjoying themselves on holiday, and that they were have a miserable, cold unrelaxed holiday.  So which was it?

It was the prosecutors who said they were relaxed, not me. They thought that was why they weren't worried about their kids. I agree they weren't bothered about their  kids but I don't think it was a relaxing holiday.

[carlymichelle]

It was the prosecutors who said they were relaxed, not me. They thought that was why they weren't worried about their kids. I agree they weren't bothered about their  kids but I don't think it was a relaxing holiday.

well their  3 year old asked them why they didnt   come when she and her younger brother  cried and they brushed it off as a passing  remark and  did it again

[xtina]

I think the McCanns and their friends felt relaxed because they were on holiday, and, because they were in a group, they assumed they could leave their kids and go to dinner, while taking it in turns to check on them.

I would imagine lots of people on holiday with a group of friends would have felt the same way.

Kate and Gerry were tragically unlucky, and their friends were not.

They have paid for their "mistake" for nearly ten years now, and they go on paying. 

I  feel so sorry for them.

try feeling sorry for maddie....

it was maddie that....... payed............ for there so called mistake

maddie is the one who was ...tragically unlucky

[mrswah]

They were all unlucky:  Maddie, her parents, her siblings, her relatives and friends.

[pathfinder73]

We will see how lucky they are if she is found. 49.4 metres on google according to Kate.

[xtina]

They were all unlucky:  Maddie, her parents, her siblings, her relatives and friends.

tragic ...........when a child's safety ......depends on luck

[jassi]

They were all unlucky:  Maddie, her parents, her siblings, her relatives and friends.

One much more than all the others.

[G-Unit]

They were all unlucky:  Maddie, her parents, her siblings, her relatives and friends.

Luck has no place in childcare. That's why parents buy electric plug guards, stair gates and cupboard door locking devices. It's why bleach and pill bottles are difficult to open. It's why parents use babysitters if they go out. The aim is to minimise risk and not rely on luck.

[John]

try feeling sorry for maddie....

it was maddie that....... payed............ for there so called mistake

maddie is the one who was ...tragically unlucky

And probably paid the ultimate price too!