They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[Alfie]

The use and abuse of good people's empathy is marked in this case.

Another stupid response.  How have the McCanns used and abused others' empathy?  Do tell.

[Alfie]

It was the prosecutors who said they were relaxed, not me. They thought that was why they weren't worried about their kids. I agree they weren't bothered about their  kids but I don't think it was a relaxing holiday.

So they weren't bothered about their kids but decided not to have a relaxing meal by getting up from the table every 30 minutes to check on them.  Yes that makes sense- not!

[Alfie]

Luck has no place in childcare. That's why parents buy electric plug guards, stair gates and cupboard door locking devices. It's why bleach and pill bottles are difficult to open. It's why parents use babysitters if they go out. The aim is to minimise risk and not rely on luck.

The only way you can ensure your child never comes to harm is to hold them in your arms 24/7.  Once you let go of them, or take your eyes off them accidents can and do happen, no matter how careful you think you are being.  Ask Denise Bulger, ask Ben Needham's granpaents.  The McCanns and their group of friends checked on their kids regularly, far more regularly than we ever used to check on our kids when they were asleep upstairs. 

[G-Unit]

So they weren't bothered about their kids but decided not to have a relaxing meal by getting up from the table every 30 minutes to check on them.  Yes that makes sense- not!

They said they checked every 30 minutes. Is that the same as they did check every 30 minutes?

[Lace]

tragic ...........when a child's safety ......depends on luck

Luck from not having a nasty slimy creep come and take her from her bed,  no child wherever they are should have that happen to them,  blame the evil @@@@@''  who took her.

[Miss Taken Identity]

They said they checked every 30 minutes. Is that the same as they did check every 30 minutes?

lol no of course not. Because they didn't. Mrs Fenn claimed a child was crying for  more than 30 mins and didn't stop until the parents came home. There was absolutely no drawn up schedule to verify this claim. In fact they were so sure that is what they did they had to re write the 'checking'they did. It became so absured to read to make any sense of it.

Sitting in the garden? I don't think so. The garden is adjoined to a home, usually overlooked by neighbours, it would be unlikely if sitting in the patio, that the patio would be 50 meters from the house, assuming there was a front and back door the parents, if felt so inclined would surely use the back door, not the front locked door to check the children in their house.  Madeline and her siblings were in a strange country, the parents could not see any comings and goings to the apartment from where they were sitting, they could not hear if the children were awake and crying from where they were sitting HENCE why they had to go and listen at the doors. There was a main road and a swimming pool to manover to get to the  doors to listen in.

But it does look good for defensive purposes, if one was so inclined to try and explain why they left the children alone every night.

[Lace]

lol no of course not. Because they didn't. Mrs Fenn claimed a child was crying for  more than 30 mins and didn't stop until the parents came home. There was absolutely no drawn up schedule to verify this claim. In fact they were so sure that is what they did they had to re write the 'checking'they did. It became so absured to read to make any sense of it.

Sitting in the garden? I don't think so. The garden is adjoined to a home, usually overlooked by neighbours, it would be unlikely if sitting in the patio, that the patio would be 50 meters from the house, assuming there was a front and back door the parents, if felt so inclined would surely use the back door, not the front locked door to check the children in their house.  Madeline and her siblings were in a strange country, the parents could not see any comings and goings to the apartment from where they were sitting, they could not hear if the children were awake and crying from where they were sitting HENCE why they had to go and listen at the doors. There was a main road and a swimming pool to manover to get to the  doors to listen in.

But it does look good for defensive purposes, if one was so inclined to try and explain why they left the children alone every night.

So you don't believe the McCann's checked every 30 minutes?   When I said I didn't believe what Amaral wrote in his book SIL said I couldn't say that that the McCann's, Grime and Amaral must be treated with respect.  Wonder if SIL with say the same to you and G Unit?

Mrs. Fenn can't be mistaken can she,  oh no,  what Mrs Fenn said must be correct.

Strange how the McCann's said Madeleine came into their bedroom to say that Amelie woke her up isn't it,  it is more than likely that is what Madeleine was talking about,  'why didn't you come when Sean and me were crying'.

[jassi]

Luck from not having a nasty slimy creep come and take her from her bed, no child wherever they are should have that happen to them,  blame the evil @@@@@''  who took her.

Absolutely. Parents usually do their very best to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen.

[sadie]

Someone (Gunit?) commented that being in the Tapas area/gardens could not be thought of as like being in their back gardens, becausec they had to walk a very short distance along the road.


Take a look at this GE image and street scene

"fly" to ....   Victoria Terrace, Walsall

Here you have homes that have back gardens but additional "back" gardens across the road opposite the front of their houses.  so if the family want to enjoy themselves, children play, then they have to cross a public road to get to their main "back" gardens


Many decades ago we had particuklars of a country house we liked the look of.  We went to look at the outside , but soon drove away.  The house had a good front garden , a small bit at the back and its main back garden was about 100yards away around the bend on the other side of the lane !



- No matter that they had a tiny private garden,
- No matter that they were 50 metres away.  Hundreds of thousands of homes have back gardens longer than that with families asleep in the house and parents in the garden.
- No matter that there was a walled walkway in between.  The apartment was raised up a flight of steps, visually above the walls from the restaurant .... and in 2007 with the bushes just clipped back they could see most of the patio windows and patio area which was illuminated by the street lamp opposite
- No matter that they had to walk along the pavement, that is unimportant ...they were very close, it felt like they were in the back garden to their apartments. 

In fact they WERE in their back gardens; it was Ocean Club as were their apartments.  Just as in an hotel, these gardens were their back gardens

All I am trying to get across to you is that it seemed like their back garden .... and it effectively was.

[xtina]

So they weren't bothered about their kids but decided not to have a relaxing meal by getting up from the table every 30 minutes to check on them.  Yes that makes sense- not!

don't forget the flowing wine

[Lace]

Absolutely. Parents usually do their very best to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen.

What children are not allowed to sleep in their beds?   Children are not allowed to go out to play?

[sadie]

don't forget the flowing wine

Try reading the wine waiters statements before making loaded comments like that.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So you don't believe the McCann's checked every 30 minutes?   When I said I didn't believe what Amaral wrote in his book SIL said I couldn't say that that the McCann's, Grime and Amaral must be treated with respect.  Wonder if SIL with say the same to you and G Unit?

Mrs. Fenn can't be mistaken can she,  oh no,  what Mrs Fenn said must be correct.

Strange how the McCann's said Madeleine came into their bedroom to say that Amelie woke her up isn't it,  it is more than likely that is what Madeleine was talking about,  'why didn't you come when Sean and me were crying'.

not beliveing some one is not disrespectful so either SIL is following their own agenda and slapping  a gagging order on you then that should be reported to John.  If SIL is not happy with me  not beliveing the family and thinking this as a form of disrespect then SIL has no place being a mod, because their opinions is no better than mine. But I suspect this is not the case. There is NO independant witness account of a 30 minute check taking place. That is a fact so what I believe is irrelevent.

[faithlilly]

Another stupid response.  How have the McCanns used and abused others' empathy?  Do tell.

The most glaring example is the money given by well wishers in the misguided belief that all of it would be used to help find a lost little girl they obviously cared about. Perhaps if they had known that a great chunk of their money would be spent on libel lawyers they may have been less keen to have their heartstrings pulled?

[Lace]

The most glaring example is the money given by well wishers in the misguided belief that all of it would be used to help find a lost little girl they obviously cared about. Perhaps if they had known that a great chunk of their money would be spent on libel lawyers they may have been less keen to have their heartstrings pulled?

The thing is the fund was there to help the family and if the McCann's felt strongly enough the need to gag an ex cop who was saying their daughter was dead and that they had faked an abduction,  then suing was the only way.  People thinking Madeleine was dead wouldn't bother giving any information they may have to the police.