They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[G-Unit]

Who could possibly forget it ... ?


"Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal


Excellency
Dr. Guilhermino Encarnação
Faro's Director of the Judiciary Police


Faro, 23/12/2007


Dear Sir:

As you know I'm the wife of the Coordinator of Criminal Investigation Gonçalo Amaral, with whom I have a daughter minor of age, with 4 years old, named Inês Sofia. You know also that Inês Sofia is living temporarily with her father.
By the present way I want to expose to you:

1. As agreed with my husband, Inês Sofia should spend Christmas with me, since last Thursday, day 20th. In that day, I contacted Gonçalo by mobile phone, and I was informed that Inês was with him, in trip to Coimbra and would only return on the following day;

2. On Friday 21st, I called again my husband, around lunch time. He informed me they were still on trip and at soon he arrive to Faro he will give me Inês. I waited until 8 PM without any news and Gonçalo never answered my phone calls. I then decided to go to a pub where I encountered Gonçalo and other colleagues of him consuming alcoholic beverages, asking him by Inês Sofia, he answered, visible drunken, that “she was resting” and that he will give me the child the following day. Then he departed, driving an Audi car from the police.

3. On Saturday 22nd , and after many attempts, my husband finally answered the phone in the middle of the afternoon, and asked me to get Inês in home. I rushed to the residence, but nobody was there. After a while, Gonçalo appeared driving the same car, and again in a notorious state of drunkenness. Having asked him for Inês Sofia, he ordered me to go inside the house, where he insulted me and threatened me of death. I abandoned the place.

4.Today, Sunday 23rd, and after numerous attempts, Gonçalo never answered his phone and he is not at home.


Unfortunately, this situation is not a unique and isolated act, and you Sir well know about other times in the past where I've also asked for your help. Once more, I ask again for your help, in order to guarantee Inês Sofia integrity, and in order to localize her.

Best Regards,

Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal "

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2040.msg68262#msg68262


The McCanns were less than thirty five seconds away from their children ... how far away was Inês Sofia and with whom?
Certainly not her mother.

Is there any provenance for this letter?

[stephen25000]

Is there any provenance for this letter?

Indeed, what has this got to do with this case ?

Answer, absolutely nothing.

Just another means to attack Amaral.

[Brietta]

Indeed, what has this got to do with this case ?

Answer, absolutely nothing.

Just another means to attack Amaral.

The problem is that "people in glass houses ..." ... "sauce for the goose ..." etc; etc; 

Xtina did ask the pertinent question about wine consumption ... which I think I have answered fairly.  As well as in the context of the thread.
The McCanns were dining thirty seconds distance from their children and constantly checking.  Where was the Amaral child and who was looking after her as her mother tried in vain to make contact?

The forum has dealt with this question before, not in quite as much detail as the McCanns have been probed ...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50164#msg50164 but as the internet gets more and more sanitised, it is something worth bearing in mind.

[Alfie]

Is there any provenance for this letter?

more info here https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/is-this-official-confirmation/

[stephen25000]

The problem is that "people in glass houses ..." ... "sauce for the goose ..." etc; etc; 

Xtina did ask the pertinent question about wine consumption ... which I think I have answered fairly.  As well as in the context of the thread.
The McCanns were dining thirty seconds distance from their children and constantly checking.  Where was the Amaral child and who was looking after her as her mother tried in vain to make contact?

The forum has dealt with this question before, not in quite as much detail as the McCanns have been probed ...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50164#msg50164 but as the internet gets more and more sanitised, it is something worth bearing in mind.

This case has nothing to do with Amaral's drinking or other habits. he was the case coordinator for a few months.

The McCann's and the rest of the group are the ones pertinent to this case.


...and by the way, and for the umpteenth time, they weren't in the back garden.

[Brietta]

This case has nothing to do with Amaral's drinking or other habits. he was the case coordinator for a few months.

The McCann's and the rest of the group are the ones pertinent to this case.


...and by the way, and for the umpteenth time, they weren't in the back garden.

The ones pertinent to this case are the ones responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann from her family ...

Everyone contributing to this thread is aware the McCann party was dining in the tapas restaurant which was thirty five seconds removed from the McCann apartment (similar to dining in the garden at home); everyone is aware a moderate amount of alcohol was consumed;the obsession that the parents dunnit certainly gave the get out of jail free card to whoever did do it.

As far as the relevance of the drunken and threatening behaviour of the man in charge of the case is concerned, it has all been said before and put more succinctly than I could ...

Quote:
Not to the specifics of the disappearance but it could well have a very significant relationship to the way in which the man at the centre of the allegations of disgraceful behaviour conducted himself as co-ordinator of the search for the child.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50850#msg50850

[stephen25000]

The ones pertinent to this case are the ones responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann from her family ...

Everyone contributing to this thread is aware the McCann party was dining in the tapas restaurant which was thirty five seconds removed from the McCann apartment (similar to dining in the garden at home); everyone is aware a moderate amount of alcohol was consumed;the obsession that the parents dunnit certainly gave the get out of jail free card to whoever did do it.

As far as the relevance of the drunken and threatening behaviour of the man in charge of the case is concerned, it has all been said before and put more succinctly than I could ...

Quote:
Not to the specifics of the disappearance but it could well have a very significant relationship to the way in which the man at the centre of the allegations of disgraceful behaviour conducted himself as co-ordinator of the search for the child.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50850#msg50850

Same old mantra.

It hasn't been determined what happened to Madeleine, as you well know.

Beliefs don't count.

As to your opinion of Amaral, well nowhere near my opinion of the Mccanns.

Everyone is aware of a moderate amount of alcohol having been consumed. they consumed every night.

Who by the way, said the Mccanns dunnit on here ?

By the way, it was 35 seconds too far away...................

[xtina]

Luck from not having a nasty slimy creep come and take her from her bed,  no child wherever they are should have that happen to them,  blame the evil @@@@@''  who took her.

listen.......you don't know yet who the nasty slimy evil creep/creeps  is...

there is still..no evidence of abduction or anyone entering the apartment...............

repeat no evidence of abduction or anyone entering the apartment.......

[xtina]

Try reading the wine waiters statements before making loaded comments like that.

and .......your point being ....what's it got to do with him....

[xtina]

The problem is that "people in glass houses ..." ... "sauce for the goose ..." etc; etc; 

Xtina did ask the pertinent question about wine consumption ... which I think I have answered fairly.  As well as in the context of the thread.
The McCanns were dining thirty seconds distance from their children and constantly checking.  Where was the Amaral child and who was looking after her as her mother tried in vain to make contact?

The forum has dealt with this question before, not in quite as much detail as the McCanns have been probed ...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50164#msg50164 but as the internet gets more and more sanitised, it is something worth bearing in mind.

its the mccs behaviour i am on about .....and the defence you have decided to take seems i'm not far wrong

as for the thirty second thing....if that were the case ....

why did k mcc have to run to the tapas bar ....leaving the children .again

why didn't she just shout from the balcony....

as for the pertinent bit ......who do you think you are ....get over yourself...

[ShiningInLuz]

The ones pertinent to this case are the ones responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann from her family ...

Everyone contributing to this thread is aware the McCann party was dining in the tapas restaurant which was thirty five seconds removed from the McCann apartment (similar to dining in the garden at home); everyone is aware a moderate amount of alcohol was consumed; the obsession that the parents dunnit certainly gave the get out of jail free card to whoever did do it.

As far as the relevance of the drunken and threatening behaviour of the man in charge of the case is concerned, it has all been said before and put more succinctly than I could ...

Quote:
Not to the specifics of the disappearance but it could well have a very significant relationship to the way in which the man at the centre of the allegations of disgraceful behaviour conducted himself as co-ordinator of the search for the child.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50850#msg50850

To be clear, I do not support the bits I have bolded.  My best estimate of the transit time is 60 seconds and IMO the scenario is nothing like being in one's back garden.  Both of these points may be significant in increasing the likelihood of an abduction so IMO it is important to get these facts accurate.

[John]

"They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?"

Who was it invented this claim in the first place? 

[faithlilly]

The ones pertinent to this case are the ones responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann from her family ...

Everyone contributing to this thread is aware the McCann party was dining in the tapas restaurant which was thirty five seconds removed from the McCann apartment (similar to dining in the garden at home); everyone is aware a moderate amount of alcohol was consumed;the obsession that the parents dunnit certainly gave the get out of jail free card to whoever did do it.

As far as the relevance of the drunken and threatening behaviour of the man in charge of the case is concerned, it has all been said before and put more succinctly than I could ...

Quote:
Not to the specifics of the disappearance but it could well have a very significant relationship to the way in which the man at the centre of the allegations of disgraceful behaviour conducted himself as co-ordinator of the search for the child.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50850#msg50850

And how do you explain Rebelo's request for a reconstitution ? He obviously didn't believe the parents and their friends either.

[pathfinder73]

"They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?"

Who was it invented this claim in the first place?

KATE MCCANN: I think it`s quite similar to, on a summer`s evening at home, eating in your garden while the children are in their bed. You know, it`s that close. Jane Hill interview 25 May 2007

7:20

Gerry McCann: We did what we thought was best….If you’re children are asleep upstairs in a bedroom and you’re dining (outside) in the garden, you can’t hear them. And that’s the similar thing to me.

Piers Morgan interview

"For us it just felt like we were dining in the garden," said Gerry.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/10/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Gerry McCann: If you measured it directly from the back of the apartment there’s a straight line to where we’re dining, it’s only 50 metres

Interviewer: 50 Meters?

Gerry McCann: Er..that, that’s a direct line...

Kate McCann interrupts: 49 point 4 on Google if you want to be really specific

Looking for Madeleine McCann – Sunday Night

[slartibartfast]

To be clear, I do not support the bits I have bolded.  My best estimate of the transit time is 60 seconds and IMO the scenario is nothing like being in one's back garden.  Both of these points may be significant in increasing the likelihood of an abduction so IMO it is important to get these facts accurate.

It is the dilemma for supporters, do we believe 5a was distant and remote thus making abduction more feasible or close and accessible thus reducing the blame attached to leaving the kids.