They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[G-Unit]

Are you calling a lawyer a liar?

I am reporting that Amaral's wife did.

[G-Unit]

The important thing is how long would it take in an emergency.

Despite being uphill and having steps and gates, Kate and Gerry who are both incredibly fit would do that in 25 seconds, less than 30 seconds anyway.


Only people who know just how high and just how steep it is up to the Geographical triangle at the eastern end of Luz, will appreciate just HOW fit they truly are.   Incredibly.

It doesn't matter how fast they were, they wouldn't respond unless they saw or heard something and they didn't.

[Brietta]

Brietta, are you being serious?

Of what relevance is the time it takes for an Olympic sprinter to cover 100m?

Are you really saying the McCanns had it nailed down to 10 seconds?  Thus abduction by the open patio door is impossible?

It is merely an illustration of time and distance.

The time taken to travel between the tapas table and the McCann apartment was not thirty minutes. Madeleine's parents were seconds away.

Unfortunately it seems the man on whom the Amaral investigation should have spared a passing thought was closer still.  How disgraceful is it that it was known that a sexual predator was active very close to Praia da Luz and yet concentrate all resources on the victims of the crime?

[jassi]

It is merely an illustration of time and distance.

The time taken to travel between the tapas table and the McCann apartment was not thirty minutes. Madeleine's parents were seconds away.

Unfortunately it seems the man on whom the Amaral investigation should have spared a passing thought was closer still.  How disgraceful is it that it was known that a sexual predator was active very close to Praia da Luz and yet concentrate all resources on the victims of the crime?

That's not the issue. When Mat returned at 9.30, Kate was then 30 minutes away from visiting her children. She could have left at any moment and got there in X seconds, but she had no intention of doing so and remained at the table until around 10 pm

[Brietta]

Thank you. So the letter was 'made public' by Dr. Marcos Aragão, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer and Amaral's wife denied all knowledge of it and said it was a forgery? Not necessarily true then, it seems.

The links I provided should set your mind at rest regarding the veracity of the content of my post.  Do please read them as I have taken the trouble to cite to prevent any ambiguity.

If the links do not meet with your requirements please provide links in support of your opinions ... or just accept that yet again, you have got it entirely wrong.

[stephen25000]

It is merely an illustration of time and distance.

The time taken to travel between the tapas table and the McCann apartment was not thirty minutes. Madeleine's parents were seconds away.

Unfortunately it seems the man on whom the Amaral investigation should have spared a passing thought was closer still.  How disgraceful is it that it was known that a sexual predator was active very close to Praia da Luz and yet concentrate all resources on the victims of the crime?

You have no evidence whatsoever, a sexual predator was involved in this case.

The 'fact' that the Mccanns locked their apartment during the daytime, merely magnifies their stupidity in leaving it unlocked at night time.

Likewise, they were not in the apartment to protect their children, it was night time, so how would they know if their children were safe ?

[Brietta]

You have no evidence whatsoever, a sexual predator was involved in this case.

The 'fact' that the Mccanns locked their apartment during the daytime, merely magnifies their stupidity in leaving it unlocked at night time.

Likewise, they were not in the apartment to protect their children, it was night time, so how would they know if their children were safe ?

Stephen ... Stephen ... Stephen. 

You said ... "You have no evidence whatsoever, a sexual predator was involved in this case."
 
Can't you see? 

That is precisely the point I am making. 

Of course there is "no evidence".  There is "no evidence" in part because the police under Amaral incompetently took the wrong path and didn't check out the home invasions involving assaults on little girls. 

Elementary, my dear Stephen.  But if the case can be solved tout suite by pinning all on the mother who needs to bother with the obvious getting in the way?

[stephen25000]

Stephen ... Stephen ... Stephen. 

You said ... "You have no evidence whatsoever, a sexual predator was involved in this case."
 
Can't you see? 

That is precisely the point I am making. 

Of course there is "no evidence".  There is "no evidence" in part because the police under Amaral incompetently took the wrong path and didn't check out the home invasions involving assaults on little girls. 

Elementary, my dear Stephen.  But if the case can be solved tout suite by pinning all on the mother who needs to bother with the obvious getting in the way?

I'm afraid Holmesian phraseology won't help you.

You cannot find evidence if doesn't exist.

[G-Unit]

The links I provided should set your mind at rest regarding the veracity of the content of my post.  Do please read them as I have taken the trouble to cite to prevent any ambiguity.

If the links do not meet with your requirements please provide links in support of your opinions ... or just accept that yet again, you have got it entirely wrong.

One of the links showed a transcript of an interview with Amaral's wife in which she says it's a forgery.

[Brietta]

I'm afraid Holmesian phraseology won't help you.

You cannot find evidence if doesn't exist.

You certainly will find nothing if you do not bother to look for it.  It is a basic tool in the armoury of investigators to think outside the box with an open mind.

Unfortunately propaganda leaked directly to the Portuguese press and picked up immediately and reiterated by media worldwide ... appears to have been the sharpest tool available to the Amaral investigation.

Which is why ... all this time after the event ... we are still discussing fourteen bottles of wine and umbrellas obscuring a sight line from a tapas table to a balcony.

A total irrelevance.

The only important thing here is Madeleine McCann and the failure of the Amaral investigation to give her the respect she deserved by investigating her case with a modicum of competence.

A start in doing that would have been to investigate home invasions involving children and remove that line of inquiry firmly from the equation.

[sadie]

Who would trust Correia, but a Mccann supporter.

Mind you we could always ask Pedro.

Well the Portuguese Courts preferred Marcos Aragao Correias his imput to Amarals.  Twice his word stood against Amarals.   In fact Amaral was found a perjurer on the one occasion.  On the second occasion he lost his case directly against Correia.

I wonder why the Courts preferred Corrieas word to Amarals?   Looks like you giot the wrong end of the stick stephen.


Now Sophia Leal is NOT Amaral, but she WAS bullied by him and divorced him.

Think it out stephen.

[ShiningInLuz]

It is merely an illustration of time and distance.

The time taken to travel between the tapas table and the McCann apartment was not thirty minutes. Madeleine's parents were seconds away.

Unfortunately it seems the man on whom the Amaral investigation should have spared a passing thought was closer still.  How disgraceful is it that it was known that a sexual predator was active very close to Praia da Luz and yet concentrate all resources on the victims of the crime?

Who said it was 30 minutes away?

What known sexual predator?

[Brietta]

Who said it was 30 minutes away?

What known sexual predator?

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a Portuguese holiday resort nearly seven years ago say a lone intruder sexually assaulted five girls aged between seven and 10 in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.

The four incidents – one involving two girls – were among 12 over six years up to 2010 being examined by officers in which a man entered holiday accommodation, mainly villas occupied by British families.

In six of those incidents, the man, said to be dark-haired and tanned, sat on the victims' beds. In nine of the 12 incidents there was no evidence of forced entry or property taken. In three others there was "low-level" theft involving cash or phones. Police said he appeared to have "a very, very, unhealthy interest" in young white girls.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

[sadie]

Who said it was 30 minutes away?

What known sexual predator?

You may not have been around SIL in the early days when the internet was full of lies and disinformation about the distance the Tapas group were dining away from 5A

Several PdL restaurants were mentioned and distances of 200, 250 metres were falsely given.

It was pure bile and proopaganda against The Mccanns.  It damaged their reputations.


There have been several sexual attacks against holidaying children in their villas, apartments in the close area. 

There were also two girls that went.  One was in the process of being abducted when the parents saw the man walking their little girl off.  That was pretty blond haired Caroline Santos aged only 3 ... and from nearby Silves, just 5 months before Madeleine was taken.  Thankfully she was rescued.

Then Joana Cipriano

There is absolutely NO proof that she died as Amaral claimed along with his mate Paulo Periera Cristavao. 
-  Cristavao is a proven Criminal on several very nasty charges. 
-  John has told me that I am not allowed to call Amaral a criminal ... so shall we just say that he was found guilty in a Portuguese Court of perjury (lying) and sentenced to 18 months.

Reach your own conclusions as to whether she was abducted, or not.  I know what I think especially as there was a caravanette which had been hanging around for days, which vanished after Joana vanished ... and also a black limousine cruising around.

[stephen25000]

You certainly will find nothing if you do not bother to look for it.  It is a basic tool in the armoury of investigators to think outside the box with an open mind.

Unfortunately propaganda leaked directly to the Portuguese press and picked up immediately and reiterated by media worldwide ... appears to have been the sharpest tool available to the Amaral investigation.

Which is why ... all this time after the event ... we are still discussing fourteen bottles of wine and umbrellas obscuring a sight line from a tapas table to a balcony.

A total irrelevance.

The only important thing here is Madeleine McCann and the failure of the Amaral investigation to give her the respect she deserved by investigating her case with a modicum of competence.

A start in doing that would have been to investigate home invasions involving children and remove that line of inquiry firmly from the equation.

'The only important thing here is Madeleine McCann and the failure of the Amaral investigation to give her the respect she deserved by investigating her case with a modicum of competence.'

That is of course your opinion and well known mantra.

In reality, the truth is somewhat different. It was her parents who let her  and her siblings down, with their arrogance and stupidity.

Who was discussing 14 bottles of wine ?

There was an open mind. You  need reminding yet again, it was the UK police who advised the PJ to investigate the parents.

It is also standard pratice to investigate parents in missing children cases.

Also, YET AGAIN, Madeleine was searched for, extensively, with no results, which continues to be the case.

There was no evidence of a break in to the apartment, and as you know, even Mitchell, admitted that.