Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

Why not?

If there are two different stories how do you choose one ahead of the other? 

Really ?

How would you know that ?

Surely, you would agree, in an unknown situation, with a child missing, and the other two children unresponsive, testing the other two children should have been of paramount importance.

They were not unresponsive, they just slept better than expected.  I know this because there are quotes that say that.

[stephen25000]

If there are two different stories how do you choose one ahead of the other? 
They were not unresponsive, they just slept better than expected.  I know this because there are quotes that say that.

No Rob, there is no independent verification of that.

Get your facts right.

The procedure for checking and testing is clearly laid out.

The question is, WHY ARE YOU DENYING THAT ?

[jassi]

If there are two different stories how do you choose one ahead of the other? 
They were not unresponsive, they just slept better than expected.  I know this because there are quotes that say that.

Both of them, together, on the very night that Madeleine disappears.
Whereas on a previous night one of them was howling its little head off.

Coincidence or suspicious? - You decide.

[Robittybob1]

No Rob, there is no independent verification of that.

Get your facts right.

The procedure for checking and testing is clearly laid out.

The question is, WHY ARE YOU DENYING THAT ?

What am I denying?  I said the procedure was OK.

[Mr Gray]

As a reminder, we do not know the children were in a deep sleep.

That is supposition.

And the most likely

[Robittybob1]

Fiona's rogatory "But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'."

[stephen25000]

Fiona's rogatory "But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'."

How does she know they were sleeping  and not drugged or sedated ?

....and the answer of course, is that she didn't.

[Robittybob1]

How does she know they were sleeping  and not drugged or sedated ?

....and the answer of course, is that she didn't.

Of course you are right , they might have been drugged and Kate evidently was more concerned than Fiona was.  Why would that be?
Fiona's rogatory "'No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird,..."

[stephen25000]

Of course you are right , they might have been drugged and Kate evidently was more concerned than Fiona was.  Why would that be?
Fiona's rogatory "'No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird,..."

I would say there is a fairly obvious reason as to why the Mccann's didn't  have the children tested.

Bearing in mind the circumstances, it could have been done a few days later.

[Robittybob1]

I would say there is a fairly obvious reason as to why the Mccann's didn't  have the children tested.

Bearing in mind the circumstances, it could have been done a few days later.

I'm sure they wanted it done, but it didn't happen.  It is the PJ's job to organise the tests not the McCanns.

Tell us what the "fairly obvious reason" was?

[G-Unit]

What believe Silvia?

There's no evidence she was untruthful unless you have a cite. Emma Knight was with the group from 11pm onwards and mentions nothing about suspected sedation. She checked the children once and says they were OK. She doesn't say who carried the children to the new apartment (4G) but she says both McCanns went there and Kate and Fiona sat hugging the twins. They were still in that apartment when she left at 4.30 am.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

Diane speaks about it with no mention of hugging on the couch in the Payne's apartment. She thinks the children were carried in by Fiona and Dave and put straight into their cots at 4.30-5am, which would be after Emma left them in 4G. She marvelled at them sleeping through all the noise in 5A and while being taken out into the cold.

4078    ”But with all your experience of small children, you thought that was odd that they had not woken?”
 Reply    ”Oh yeah definitely. Well even err the noise that was going on in the apartment and they slept through it all.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm
 

[stephen25000]

I'm sure they wanted it done, but it didn't happen.  It is the PJ's job to organise the tests not the McCanns.

Tell us what the "fairly obvious reason" was?

Again, if you bothered to read and take in the content of my posts, you would have seen already, that I stated the police should have had the children tested.

The Mccann's as so called professionals had plenty of time to have them tested, AND INSIST ON IT.

They didn't.


Ask yourself why they didn't.

Don't bother saying they were busy doing other things.

[Robittybob1]

There's no evidence she was untruthful unless you have a cite. Emma Knight was with the group from 11pm onwards and mentions nothing about suspected sedation. She checked the children once and says they were OK. She doesn't say who carried the children to the new apartment (4G) but she says both McCanns went there and Kate and Fiona sat hugging the twins. They were still in that apartment when she left at 4.30 am.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

Diane speaks about it with no mention of hugging on the couch in the Payne's apartment. She thinks the children were carried in by Fiona and Dave and put straight into their cots at 4.30-5am, which would be after Emma left them in 4G. She marvelled at them sleeping through all the noise in 5A and while being taken out into the cold.

4078    ”But with all your experience of small children, you thought that was odd that they had not woken?”
 Reply    ”Oh yeah definitely. Well even err the noise that was going on in the apartment and they slept through it all.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

I questioned Silvia because she had a conflict of interest.  There were many unsupported statements of fact in her statements.   There is a whole thread on it. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7864.0

[jassi]

I'm sure they wanted it done, but it didn't happen.  It is the PJ's job to organise the tests not the McCanns.

Tell us what the "fairly obvious reason" was?

Given the McCann's 'hands on' approach to the investigation and their connections, they could have had their children tested at any time up until they had their hair cut.

[Robittybob1]

Given the McCann's 'hands on' approach to the investigation and their connections, they could have had their children tested at any time up until they had their hair cut.

They say they had their own tests done, but to be fair the PJ should have done it.  For how many drugs are they going to analyse for?