Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alfie]

No my point was that the McCanns ( as my cite shows the 'we' spoken about by Kate certainly wasn't Gerry) didn't raise their concerns ON THE NIGHT when the twins may have been in real danger. Further when they did bring the subject up with the FLOs several days later in that conversation there was no request for further action. Why did they bring the subject up at all? A fishing trip perhaps?

What would be the point of that?  If they had been regularly sedating their kids then that would have shown up in tests.  Why would the McCanns even draw attention to the possibility of sedation if tests would reveal this? 
We don't know one way or the other if Kate raised the issue on the night so you're going to have to do the one thing you really don't like to do and that's give her the benefit of the doubt.   Or get in touch with SB and ask her.  She would know presumably, although she didn't seem very good at remembering many of the details of that night in her statements all those years ago.

[misty]

They are already on the hook as you put it by their own actions before Maddie disappeared and afterwards by employing some very shady individuals.

The GNR officers noticed the condition of the twins.
The CSI officers must have seen the Calpol.
In 2014 the Portuguese officers still seemed to believe Calpol is a sedative (Irish baby case).
The PJ suspected the parents from the outset.
Whydid the PJ not arrange for the twins to be tested? If the police were happy to ignore "evidence" under their noses at the outset, they were probably equally happy to ignore concerns expressed by distraught parents

[Alfie]

The GNR officers noticed the condition of the twins.
The CSI officers must have seen the Calpol.
In 2014 the Portuguese officers still seemed to believe Calpol is a sedative (Irish baby case).
The PJ suspected the parents from the outset.
Whydid the PJ not arrange for the twins to be tested? If the police were happy to ignore "evidence" under their noses at the outset, they were probably equally happy to ignore concerns expressed by distraught parents

Yes, why when the McCanns raised the issue as early as the 5th May did the PJ NOT test the twins -what is the excuse for this lapse?

[Robittybob1]

No my point was that the McCanns ( as my cite shows the 'we' spoken about by Kate certainly wasn't Gerry) didn't raise their concerns ON THE NIGHT when the twins may have been in real danger. Further when they did bring the subject up with the FLOs several days later in that conversation there was no request for further action. Why did they bring the subject up at all? A fishing trip perhaps?

The McCanns can't be blamed for the words in their statements as they were written in Portuguese, so many things said were not written down and have gone unrecorded.  Also if the English team that met with the McCanns did not pass on the information that is not the McCanns fault.

The GNR officers noticed the condition of the twins.
The CSI officers must have seen the Calpol.
In 2014 the Portuguese officers still seemed to believe Calpol is a sedative (Irish baby case).
The PJ suspected the parents from the outset.
Whydid the PJ not arrange for the twins to be tested? If the police were happy to ignore "evidence" under their noses at the outset, they were probably equally happy to ignore concerns expressed by distraught parents

Even if you can't prove that, that is how it seems to be in the end.

Yes, why when the McCanns raised the issue as early as the 5th May did the PJ NOT test the twins -what is the excuse for this lapse?

Were the PJ present at this meeting?

[Robittybob1]

Come on Sadie, this is basic stuff!   

Mrs Fenn's statement has a slight confusion about it I find.  Was it just Wednesday daytime she isn't at her apartment?  If that was the case why didn't she hear what went on on Wednesday night if there was more crying?
We need to look at this closer.

[faithlilly]

What would be the point of that?  If they had been regularly sedating their kids then that would have shown up in tests.  Why would the McCanns even draw attention to the possibility of sedation if tests would reveal this? 
We don't know one way or the other if Kate raised the issue on the night so you're going to have to do the one thing you really don't like to do and that's give her the benefit of the doubt.   Or get in touch with SB and ask her.  She would know presumably, although she didn't seem very good at remembering many of the details of that night in her statements all those years ago.

Who said the McCanns regularly sedated their children? Not me certainly. As to why they drew attention to sedation it would certainly benefit the McCanns, if they were complicit in their daughter's disappearance, to be forewarned to what the PJ knew.

We must never forget that when the McCanns had the opportunity to clearly request tests for the twins in English to the FLOs they neither asked for those tests to be carried out nor did they specifically mention the unresponsive state of the twins on the 3rd.

[faithlilly]

The GNR officers noticed the condition of the twins.
The CSI officers must have seen the Calpol.
In 2014 the Portuguese officers still seemed to believe Calpol is a sedative (Irish baby case).
The PJ suspected the parents from the outset.
Whydid the PJ not arrange for the twins to be tested? If the police were happy to ignore "evidence" under their noses at the outset, they were probably equally happy to ignore concerns expressed by distraught parents

Of course the PJ should have asked for tests to be done, there is no excuse for that but it does not negate the McCanns absolute duty of care to their children.

[Robittybob1]

That's simply nonsense misty. The McCanns are not on the hook because they are doctors but because they themselves admit that they thought their  twins were in an unresponsive state due to some unknown narcotic yet did nothing.

Not according to them they didn't do anything/  Kate says she raised it that very night.  They certainly raised it in the meeting with the English Police on the 5th, and Paiva claims it (the use of Calpol) was raised with him by Kate's father, before raising it again at the time of becoming an arguido.

Of course the PJ should have asked for tests to be done, there is no excuse for that but it does not negate the McCanns absolute duty of care to their children.

But what more could they do at the time?  They would have found themselves in a difficult dilemma.

[slartibartfast]

Mrs Fenn's statement has a slight confusion about it I find.  Was it just Wednesday daytime she isn't at her apartment?  If that was the case why didn't she hear what went on on Wednesday night if there was more crying?
We need to look at this closer.

As Mrs Fenn had been giving a statement about Tuesday evening her further comment about not being able to add anything for Wednesday as she was only there at night would normally indicate she wasn't there in the evening.

[Alfie]

Who said the McCanns regularly sedated their children? Not me certainly. As to why they drew attention to sedation it would certainly benefit the McCanns, if they were complicit in their daughter's disappearance, to be forewarned to what the PJ knew.

We must never forget that when the McCanns had the opportunity to clearly request tests for the twins in English to the FLOs they neither asked for those tests to be carried out nor did they specifically mention the unresponsive state of the twins on the 3rd.

Can you explain exactly how being forewarned that the PJ knew sedation had been used on Madeleine would have benefited the McCanns?  What could they have done with that knowledge?

[Alfie]

Of course the PJ should have asked for tests to be done, there is no excuse for that but it does not negate the McCanns absolute duty of care to their children.

The twins were closely monitored, being cuddled by trained doctors.  There lives were not in danger, their sister's life however was in grave danger and that night she was the top priority.

[faithlilly]

Can you explain exactly how being forewarned that the PJ knew sedation had been used on Madeleine would have benefited the McCanns?  What could they have done with that knowledge?

A more illuminating question is why, if innocent of any part in their daughter's disappearance, the McCanns needed to know if sedatives had been used?

[faithlilly]

The twins were closely monitored, being cuddled by trained doctors.  There lives were not in danger, their sister's life however was in grave danger and that night she was the top priority.

Are you really suggesting a child who is suspected of having been given an unknown sedative can be properly monitored by being cuddled? Really? 

[Alfie]

A more illuminating question is why, if innocent of any part in their daughter's disappearance, the McCanns needed to know if sedatives had been used?

When your child has disappeared in mysterious circumstances it is natural for any parent to want to know as much as possible about what may have happened, nothing odd about that!

[Alfie]

Are you really suggesting a child who is suspected of having been given an unknown sedative can be properly monitored by being cuddled? Really? 

Please don't be silly.  The children were in the arms of trained doctors.  How much more closely could they have been monitored?