Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[faithlilly]

No, it wasn't in hindsight: but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.
So Fiona Payne thought it was weird at the time but even as a qualified anesthetist did not apparently recognise the signs of an overdosed child nor recommend immediate medical attention, but you think she did nothing wrong?

If Kate had furnished Fiona with a reason for her checking I'm sure Fiona would have mentioned it or as Fiona was at Kate's side most of the night she would have known why it was suspected that the twins were perhaps less responsive than she thought they should have been as her friend had just, allegedly, told the police officers present that she suspected her children had been sedated. The fact that Fiona found it 'weird' yet fails to qualify this with the suspected reason suggests Kate never voiced her concerns to, or in, Fiona's presence.

[Alfie]

If Kate had furnished Fiona with a reason for her checking I'm sure Fiona would have mentioned it or as Fiona was at Kate's side most of the night she would have known why it was suspected that the twins were perhaps less responsive than she thought they should have been as her friend had just, allegedly, told the police officers present that she suspected her children had been sedated. The fact that Fiona found it 'weird' yet fails to qualify this with the suspected reason suggests Kate never voiced her concerns to, or in, Fiona's presence.

So you're saying that Fiona, whilst finding the twins behaviour weird, and whilst being a qualified anesthetist (who you would have thought would recognise the difference between a sleeping and a sedated child) would need to have been explicitly told by Kate that she feared sedation before suggesting that maybe the twins might need medical assistance?

[Alfie]

Brevity? There are pages and pages about how Kate was offended by not being offered a snack by the PJ or that the priestwas slightly too upbeat yet for what should have been the meat of the book she chooses brevity. Really?

What I really don't get Alfie is that you are obviously an intelligent individual who must know your post above is hogwash. Why you chose  to open yourself up to the ridicule you obviously must know will follow heaven alone knows.

Could I have all the many page numbers for the above highlighted please?

[G-Unit]

No, it wasn't in hindsight: but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.
So Fiona Payne thought it was weird at the time but even as a qualified anesthetist did not apparently recognise the signs of an overdosed child nor recommend immediate medical attention, but you think she did nothing wrong?

Strange, isn't it? In their rog. interviews a lot of people  report how strange it seemed, although no-one mentioned it in their official Portuguese statements in the weeks after the event. Even the mother only mentioned Madeleine to the FLO's.

[Lace]

What do you think 'the kidnapper' gave their children?

I don't think the kidnapper give the twins anything,  such as medicine or tablets.  Though if something was given to Madeleine,  in my opinion it was some chemical that was put on a cloth for her to breath in, could be he then put it briefly under the noses of the twins.   The fact that they were both on their knees asleep,  gives me the impression that they woke up and maybe the kidnapper put something under their noses and they dropped onto their knees asleep.

[Alfie]

Strange, isn't it? In their rog. interviews a lot of people  report how strange it seemed, although no-one mentioned it in their official Portuguese statements in the weeks after the event. Even the mother only mentioned Madeleine to the FLO's.

The statements taken in Portugal tend to focus far more on actions and facts rather than on emotions and feelings, have you noticed that? But still, you think it's strange that Fiona Payne didn't mention it at the time - so what do you infer from this? 

[ShiningInLuz]

Strange, isn't it? In their rog. interviews a lot of people  report how strange it seemed, although no-one mentioned it in their official Portuguese statements in the weeks after the event. Even the mother only mentioned Madeleine to the FLO's.

By the time of the rogatories the 'story' that the children might have been drugged was definitely in the public domain, hence the questioning.

That part is straight-forward.

Why no one mentioned this is an earlier statement is more difficult to explain.

[Alfie]

By the time of the rogatories the 'story' that the children might have been drugged was definitely in the public domain, hence the questioning.

That part is straight-forward.

Why no one mentioned this is an earlier statement is more difficult to explain.

What I have always found strange is how perfunctory all the Portuguese statements are generally.  Given that everyone was questioned for hours it begs the question just what was not recorded in the statements.

[misty]

None of the other Tapas 9 children appear to have been awoken by the noise which must have been going on outside as it was not mentioned in any statements. Had they been sedated too & should they have been taken to hospital?

[G-Unit]

The statements taken in Portugal tend to focus far more on actions and facts rather than on emotions and feelings, have you noticed that? But still, you think it's strange that Fiona Payne didn't mention it at the time - so what do you infer from this?

Actions such as placing a hand on the backs of children to check for signs of life? Facts such as Madeleine reporting that her siblings cried the night before? Kate was interviewed on 8th August, she says;

Was there anything else I wanted to add? Anything else unusual that had occurred that night? Of course there wasn’t. If there had been I would have told them on 3 May. I’d recounted absolutely everything and anything – more than they wanted or needed to know, probably, just in case some triviality I recalled might be significant. How could they think I would hold something back that might help my daughter? [Madeleine]

Everything except the possible sedation of her other children, it seems.

[Mr Gray]

What I have always found strange is how perfunctory all the Portuguese statements are generally.  Given that everyone was questioned for hours it begs the question just what was not recorded in the statements.

I've raised this point before
Kate questioned for around 19 hrs and her statements can be read in a couple of minutes
Just how much the PJ decided to leave out we don't know

[faithlilly]

So you're saying that Fiona, whilst finding the twins behaviour weird, and whilst being a qualified anesthetist (who you would have thought would recognise the difference between a sleeping and a sedated child) would need to have been explicitly told by Kate that she feared sedation before suggesting that maybe the twins might need medical assistance?

Why would Fiona second guess their own mother ? Kate was a qualified anaesthetist too.

[Alfie]

We know that Gerry feared Madeleine may have been taken by a paedophile that night but nowhere are his fears mentioned in his statement (if I recall correctly) - is that absence suspicious too?   Probably, to some!

[Alfie]

Why would Fiona second guess their own mother ? Kate was a qualified anaesthetist too.

Because she is a human being with children of her own, a doctor who has taken an oath to dedicate her life to saving lives, because she has a tongue in her head, because if she really thought the kids were in danger it would be the morally correct thing to do? 

[G-Unit]

None of the other Tapas 9 children appear to have been awoken by the noise which must have been going on outside as it was not mentioned in any statements. Had they been sedated too & should they have been taken to hospital?

None of the other children reportedly had their bedroom window and shutters open with the wind blowing in. They didn't have people switching their bedroom light on and rummaging under beds and in cupboards, They didn't have anyone screaming in their apartments.

Comparing like with like is always a good idea.