Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[ShiningInLuz]

Please specify what forensic tests were carried out by the Lisbon forensic team and what the results if any were.

Please read the PJ Files on what the Lisbon team did on 4 May 2007.

They found no evidence of anaesthetics.

They did not have to hand the behaviour of the twins overnight, or an alleged crying incident.  I cannot see why they would have found any differently if they had known of either.  Kate did not report any trace of anaesthetic around the time of her alarm, and we are to believe she was first on the scene.  Unless Matthew Oldfield not only failed on a visual check, but also on a sense of smell, and he was the first.

[faithlilly]

You mean that in a thread presently consisting of sixty nine pages you have continually criticised the Portuguese police lack of initial diligence in checking that Madeleine's siblings had not been drugged?

Not only must I not have been paying attention I must just not have bothered reading your posts with the due respect they deserve because I have missed all the ones criticising the investigators for not investigating the drug situation under discussion regarding the twins.

I'm sure you will be able to point me in the right direction, though.  You will of course be able to provide a cite.

Brietta do you really believe that even if the police were truly incompetent and displayed a shocking disregard for the twins wellbeing that  that excuses both McCanns, who admit they were very concerned that the twins had been sedated, for also doing nothing?

[stephen25000]

You mean that in a thread presently consisting of sixty nine pages you have continually criticised the Portuguese police lack of initial diligence in checking that Madeleine's siblings had not been drugged?

Not only must I not have been paying attention I must just not have bothered reading your posts with the due respect they deserve because I have missed all the ones criticising the investigators for not investigating the drug situation under discussion regarding the twins.

I'm sure you will be able to point me in the right direction, though.  You will of course be able to provide a cite.

Well, as that is already on this thread,  there is no need to.

I suggest you read through my posts.

So, again, if you can't read, the police should have ensured the other two children were tested, as a matter of course.

Your deflection from the Mccann's is noted.

Try post 896, page 60, on this thread.

[Robittybob1]

Brietta do you really believe that even if the police were truly incompetent and displayed a shocking disregard for the twins wellbeing that  that excuses both McCanns, who admit they were very concerned that the twins had been sedated, for also doing nothing?

They checked the kids and they got through OK but on the 5th the McCanns raised the issue with the British Liaison officers.  There is no question that the issue was raised in time for the twins to be properly checked.

[Alice Purjorick]

Well, as that is already on this thread,  there is no need to.

I suggest you read through my posts.

So, again, if you can't read, the police should have ensured the other two children were tested, as a matter of course.

Your deflection from the Mccann's is noted.

Try post 896, page 60, on this thread.

Are we sure that in Portugal the police can "lift" a minor and have tests carried out without parental and /or court permissions ?
That's my second time of asking this question with no response from any of the gurus to date. I guess they don't know which then leaves some of the arguments a flat tire....

[slartibartfast]

Is that acknowledgement Amaral screwed up in accusing them of hiding Madeleine's body?

Overdosing Madeleine with calpol?

Driving Madeleine dead in the Renault Scenic?

In case it has escaped your attention, I am not Amaral and afaik he does post on here.

[ferryman]

In case it has escaped your attention, I am not Amaral and afaik he does post on here.

In case it escaped your attention I never suggested you were.

[stephen25000]

Are we sure that in Portugal the police can "lift" a minor and have tests carried out without parental and /or court permissions ?
That's my second time of asking this question with no response from any of the gurus to date. I guess they don't know which then leaves some of the arguments a flat tire....

Good point.

We would need someone who knows Portuguese Law.

[Alfie]

Never say never.   A body might yet  turn up and reveal all.

How will a body turning up reveal whether or not the twins were sedated?

[Alice Purjorick]

As people are banging on about what the cops should and should not have done I presumed they had researched the matter themselves. As an answer has not been forthcoming I presume:
1. They researched but can't be arsed to respond.
2. They did not research and were trapping off in ignorance*.
Faites vos jeux but I know where my purse is going.

*the wider sense of the word you understand before we are inundated with faux outrage and accusations of insulting behaviour.

[Alfie]

Reprehensible not criminal.

Are you sure about that?  Failing to get assistance for a child that is dying in your arms must surely be a criminal offence?

[Alfie]

Unless you know Fiona and can ask that question the answer is unknowable. What we do know however is that neither she nor Kate say in any statement that the twins woke at any time. You can speculate that they may have but that doesn't make it so.

So you agree then.  It's entirely possible the twins gave signs at some point that night that they were not in a state on unresponsive sedation requiring immediate medical attention and that therefore the sensible thing for you and I to do as we were not there is to give the people who were there and who made the decisions they did the benefit of the doubt.  Oops, sorry that was a rambling post full of hogwash for you to ridicule! 

[Mr Gray]

Please read the PJ Files on what the Lisbon team did on 4 May 2007.

They found no evidence of anaesthetics.

They did not have to hand the behaviour of the twins overnight, or an alleged crying incident.  I cannot see why they would have found any differently if they had known of either.  Kate did not report any trace of anaesthetic around the time of her alarm, and we are to believe she was first on the scene.  Unless Matthew Oldfield not only failed on a visual check, but also on a sense of smell, and he was the first.

Are you referring to anaesthetics or sedatives

[slartibartfast]

In case it escaped your attention I never suggested you were.

Well why produce his ideas as some sort of evidence of accusations from members on this forum?

[faithlilly]

So you agree then.  It's entirely possible the twins gave signs at some point that night that they were not in a state on unresponsive sedation requiring immediate medical attention and that therefore the sensible thing for you and I to do as we were not there is to give the people who were there and who made the decisions they did the benefit of the doubt.  Oops, sorry that was a rambling post full of hogwash for you to ridicule!

Anything is possible but as not one eye witness claims that the twins woke at anytime I think it's perfectly logical to conclude that they didn't.