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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1110 on: January 09, 2017, 10:34:48 AM »
I'm not suggesting they tested the twins that night, but when it became apparent that a crime had most likely been committed don't you think they should have at least considered the possibility that the twins who were in the room at the time might have been interfered with in some way?

Especially as one of the Officers says in a statement he noticed the twins didn't wake with all the noise,  now why would he say that in his statement?

Something doesn't add up.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 01:05:03 PM by ShiningInLuz »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1111 on: January 09, 2017, 10:36:25 AM »
The thought that the twins were unresponsive and Kate did nothing is absurd

Seemingly that is precisely what happened.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1112 on: January 09, 2017, 10:40:20 AM »
I'm talking about 40 yrs experience in sedation
Does that have any relevance

It would depend on precisely what that experience encompassed as to what relevance it has here.
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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1113 on: January 09, 2017, 10:57:49 AM »

Look at what the Police had to work with,   whether they believed the McCann's or not,  they had -

An open window
A child missing
Two children who didn't wake up with all the noise going on

What would that say to a trained Officer?
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 01:06:30 PM by ShiningInLuz »

Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1114 on: January 09, 2017, 11:00:32 AM »
Look at what the Police had to work with,   whether they believed the McCann's or not,  they had -

An open window
A child missing
Two children who didn't wake up with all the noise going on

What would that say to a trained Officer?

"Something not quite right here, better call the PJ". Which is exactly what they did.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 11:16:21 AM by jassi »
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stephen25000

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1115 on: January 09, 2017, 11:04:32 AM »
Look at what the Police had to work with,   whether they believed the McCann's or not,  they had -

An open window
A child missing
Two children who didn't wake up with all the noise going on

What would that say to a trained Officer?

As to who opened the window, that is debatable. The only identified fingerprints being Kate McCann.

Sleeping, that is quite debatable.

A child missing.  The child could have walked out and got lost.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1116 on: January 09, 2017, 11:12:50 AM »
I'm not suggesting they tested the twins that night, but when it became apparent that a crime had most likely been committed don't you think they should have at least considered the possibility that the twins who were in the room at the time might have been interfered with in some way?

I would be interested to hear a logical explanation as to why it might occur to them. No-one mentioned the possibility to the PJ on the night. No-one mentioned it in statements.
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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1117 on: January 09, 2017, 11:13:29 AM »
As to who opened the window, that is debatable. The only identified fingerprints being Kate McCann.

Sleeping, that is quite debatable.

A child missing.  The child could have walked out and got lost.

It doesn't matter,  the Police should investigate on the evidence they find,  I am not trained in Police work, but if I found what the Police found in 5a then I would be thinking,  abductor and sedation,   investigation should have involved the twins and the bedding of Madeleine's bed and the cots.

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1118 on: January 09, 2017, 11:17:09 AM »
It doesn't matter,  the Police should investigate on the evidence they find,  I am not trained in Police work, but if I found what the Police found in 5a then I would be thinking,  abductor and sedation,   investigation should have involved the twins and the bedding of Madeleine's bed and the cots.

Incorrect.

A police investigation would be examining several possibilities.

Yes, the children should have been tested, a failure both by the Police, and by Madeleine's parents.

As Doctor's , they should have realized the importation of that. They had ample opportunity to ensure that happened in the days after, as it did  the local police.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1119 on: January 09, 2017, 11:40:13 AM »
Especially as one of the Officers says in a statement he noticed the twins didn't wake with all the noise,  now why would he say that in his statement?

Also Amaral says he knew from the start the McCann's were guilty.   So why didn't he keep the bedding so that it could be tested?

Something doesn't add up.

There were at least four people who noticed the children were sleeping despite the noise and lights; Nelson and Roque from the GNR and Fiona Payne and Dianne Webster from the T9. None of them mentioned it at first. The GNR officers mentioned it in October 2007 when they were asked and the others in 2008 during their rog. interviews when they were asked.

I fail to see why it should have been picked up as significant at the time by the GNR.

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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1120 on: January 09, 2017, 11:42:05 AM »
I would be interested to hear a logical explanation as to why it might occur to them. No-one mentioned the possibility to the PJ on the night. No-one mentioned it in statements.

Didn't an officer say he saw the twins sleep through all the noise?   Open window,  child missing,   twins sleeping deeply through all the noise,   it didn't ring a bell with trained Officers?     No it didn't,   they let the twins be taken from their cots along with the bedding,   disturbing a crime scene,  then Madeleine's bedding wasn't tested either.

Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1121 on: January 09, 2017, 11:43:35 AM »
There were at least four people who noticed the children were sleeping despite the noise and lights; Nelson and Roque from the GNR and Fiona Payne and Dianne Webster from the T9. None of them mentioned it at first. The GNR officers mentioned it in October 2007 when they were asked and the others in 2008 during their rog. interviews when they were asked.

I fail to see why it should have been picked up as significant at the time by the GNR.

I thought everything would have been reported back to Amaral?

They used a light on Madeleine's bed next day to see if there was any chloroform why?

Why didn't the PJ notice?
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Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1122 on: January 09, 2017, 11:45:57 AM »
Didn't an officer say he saw the twins sleep through all the noise?   Open window,  child missing,   twins sleeping deeply through all the noise,   it didn't ring a bell with trained Officers?     No it didn't,   they let the twins be taken from their cots along with the bedding,   disturbing a crime scene,  then Madeleine's bedding wasn't tested either.

Tested for what ? Bound to be several days before any results would be available, likely as not.  How would this advance the search?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1123 on: January 09, 2017, 11:52:16 AM »
It doesn't matter,  the Police should investigate on the evidence they find,  I am not trained in Police work, but if I found what the Police found in 5a then I would be thinking,  abductor and sedation,   investigation should have involved the twins and the bedding of Madeleine's bed and the cots.

What did the police find then that was a signpost to abduction and sedation? [that was recorded in the statements of the first officers on the scene]
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Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1124 on: January 09, 2017, 11:55:40 AM »
What did the police find then that was a signpost to abduction and sedation? [that was recorded in the statements of the first officers on the scene]

Evidence of sedation would not be evidence of abduction.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future