Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[faithlilly]

People in Portugal to this day can still be convicted if they say something unpleasant about a lawyer or a judge, let alone The President, even if it is true.
While An ex PJ Officer can say what he likes about the hoi poloi.

Meanwhile,  a convicted torturer has his word taken as gospel.

Nonsense as usual.

[Eleanor]

Nonsense as usual.

What have I said that isn't true?

[barrier]

People in Portugal to this day can still be convicted if they say something unpleasant about a lawyer or a judge, let alone The President, even if it is true.
While An ex PJ Officer can say what he likes about the hoi poloi.

Meanwhile,  a convicted torturer has his word taken as gospel.

Hoi polloi! they're Doctors don't you know,what,what.

[barrier]

People in Portugal to this day can still be convicted if they say something unpleasant about a lawyer or a judge, let alone The President, even if it is true.
While An ex PJ Officer can say what he likes about the hoi poloi.

Meanwhile,  a convicted torturer has his word taken as gospel.

Are you suggesting a conviction was for torture? cite?

[Eleanor]

Are you suggesting a conviction was for torture? cite?

Not Amaral. no.

[barrier]

Not Amaral. no.

To whom is this in reference to then?

People in Portugal to this day can still be convicted if they say something unpleasant about a lawyer or a judge, let alone The President, even if it is true.
While An ex PJ Officer can say what he likes about the hoi poloi.

Meanwhile,  a convicted torturer has his word taken as gospel.

[Angelo222]

To whom is this in reference to then?

PJ officer Tavares de Almeida was convicted of torture.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71031#msg71031

A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

[stephen25000]

Judgement Page 67:

"Of all those circumstances does not result, in our view, that underlying the book, the documentary and interview, exists an defamatory intention against the appellants, i.e an animus injuriandi, but rather an animus informandi and an animus defendendi. The opinion expressed by the respondent is sufficiently detailed in an intelligible and logical assessment of the facts and elements of evidence gathered in the investigation"

[pathfinder73]

Don't worry about everyone else do you believe Gerry saw Madeleine at 9:05 PM?

Apparently she was asleep on top of the covers but the covers were folded back

"Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Meanwhile the other says:
"She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Just one more thing.............

[barrier]

PJ officer Tavares de Almeida was convicted of torture.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71031#msg71031

A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

Thanks.

[Angelo222]

Apparently she was asleep on top of the covers but the covers were folded back

"Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Meanwhile the other says:
"She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Just one more thing.............

All that means is that she was put to bed under the covers but ended up on top of them later.

[stephen25000]

All that means is that she was put to bed under the covers but ended up on top of them later.

Perhaps not, from recollection, as the bed covers were virtually undisturbed.

They looked from the photos, gently folded over.

[G-Unit]

All that means is that she was put to bed under the covers but ended up on top of them later.

So she started off under the covers but with them still folded down?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Don't worry about everyone else do you believe Gerry saw Madeleine at 9:05 PM?

Believe is the operaive word here.
Convinced would be better used. Not many people are convinced by Gerry's statement. I find it to be wholly wreckless that a father who had agreed to leave the children alone every night before they left the UK, to adapt a 'listening' service would suddenly offer an account of the last time he saw His daughter alive, was that night he claims she disappeared. Seriously? door ajar?

I don't think we managed to asertain who was the last person to put the children to bed and leave the door 'ajar'. Kate thinks it was her, Gerry wouldn't know how ajar the door was unless they took to measuring before and after Maddies alleged disappearance from the room.

Also. Gerry 'thought' someone may have been hiding behind the door , but he didn't check, he left the children alone anyway.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So she started off under the covers but with them still folded down?

Exactly G!  The bed looked like it was ready for someone to be put to bed. I used to do this for my children when they were younger, after their bathtime, still do for visitors!