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Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #165 on: April 20, 2018, 02:24:58 PM »
Nigel's off again on the Blue forum.

Bring back LuminousWanderer.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2018, 03:18:32 PM »
Nigel's off again on the Blue forum.

Bring back LuminousWanderer.

Whoever Nigel is its clear by their posts Jeremy Bamber has sent them crazy
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Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2018, 03:53:36 PM »
Nigel only discusses the evidence with Mike.

His other posts & threads are just statements aimed at people involved in the case.

David must be wishing he could change back to hardcore guilter. But it's too late.

Unlike Susan who drifted half heartedly into guilt & innocence, David went from hardcore guilter to hardcore supporter. The only poster I know who has done this. No one has ever changed a hardcore stance twice. 

Mike, Nigel, Nugs, Roch, Lookout & David are joined at the hip and in it for the long haul. Which gives the guilters less work to do.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 04:15:14 PM by adam »

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2018, 04:00:58 PM »
Nigel only discusses the evidence with Mike.

His other posts & threads are just statements aimed at people involved in the case.

David must be wishing he could change back to hardcore guilter. But it's too late.

Unlike Susan who drifted half heartedly into guilt & innocence, David went from hardcore guilter to hardcore supporter. The only poster I know who has done this. No one has ever changed a hardcore stance 3 times.

Mike, Nigel, Nugs, Roch, Lookout & David are joined at the hip and in it for the long haul.

All crazy cowards IMO

"A coward lives in his own world, where reality is merely a passing phenomenon. He rationalizes other people’s mistakes towards him and is never in touch with reality. He takes in information and processes it in a way that only makes sense to him. https://www.enkirelations.com/signs-of-a-coward-guy.html  8((()*/


The BIGGEST coward (and Moron) of them ALL is of course MIKE TESCO! 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #169 on: April 20, 2018, 04:30:13 PM »
All crazy cowards IMO

"A coward lives in his own world, where reality is merely a passing phenomenon. He rationalizes other people’s mistakes towards him and is never in touch with reality. He takes in information and processes it in a way that only makes sense to him. https://www.enkirelations.com/signs-of-a-coward-guy.html  8((()*/


The BIGGEST coward (and Moron) of them ALL is of course MIKE TESCO!

Mike Tesco displays all the signs of a psychopath imho. He's highly narcissist of that there is no doubt. His posts about himself are very telling and how he plays the victim. He's unable to take responsibility for his own actions. Thinks he's above the law. Numerous aliases, pathological lying. His apparent rages. Lack of remorse. All classic traits.

The DSM refers to it as [ censored word]ocial personality disorder. https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/[ censored word]ocial-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.7-(f60.2)

"Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by one of the seven sub features:
Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit or self-amusement,
Impulsive behavior
Irritability and aggression, manifested as frequently assaults others, or engages in fighting
Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
A pattern of irresponsibility and
Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

Comorbidity
The DSM-5 indicates that [ censored word]ocial Personality Disorder is comorbid with substance abuse disorder, and other personality disorders (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

The consensus is there is very little in the way of effective treatment for [ censored word]ocial Personality Disorder. Individuals with APD may have to be contained by the criminal justice system, through some combination of incapacitation (incarceration), supervision and monitoring (parole, probation, or house arrest), or informal monitoring by local law enforcement to contain their harmful behaviors to others to the greatest extent possible. Some research has shown that individuals with APD do feel degrees of empathy suggesting that at the very least some form of training may be possible (Meffer, Gazzola, den Boer, Bartells, 2013). There are also cases of individuals with APD converting to religion and finding strong conviction within themselves to reform and successfully integrate with society ("Confessions of a Christian Psychopath", 2011). The role of religion and spirituality as a possible treatment for APD is not well studied, and future research is warranted.
Incarceration may not be an effective deterrent to the [ censored word]ocial individual, as those with APD have difficulty learning from mistakes, are rigid in decision making, and are typically unresponsive to punishment (De Brito, Viding, Kumari, Blackwood, and Sheilagh, 2013). A primary reason that individuals with APD are often non responsive to punishment and deterrence is an inner belief system that views constraints and consequences as a rudimentary function of society, a group which they do not see themselves a part of.  The [ censored word]ocial may see themselves as existing above or beyond society, and thus their existence need not be confined to society's limitations and restraints; and on the contrary, those limitations and restraints are best utilized when exploited to the full advantage of the individual. As a result, for many with APD, incarceration may only serve to reinforce their primary belief system and have little effect towards future deterrence. 
The DSM- 5 as well as other sources note that individuals with APD may cease behavioral expression of their [ censored word]ocial belief system in their 40's (American Psychiatric Association, 2013) although this is inconclusive.  Other sources argue that [ censored word]ocials become too emotionally battered from a long term resisting of society and accumulate physical injuries from a lifestyle of neglect of medical and dental care, untended injuries, and drug and alcohol abuse.  This eventual emotional depletion may result in the [ censored word]ocial reducing destructive behavior or criminal activity simply due to being no longer physically capable.   But even in this case, the individual will still retain an [ censored word]ocial belief system in their day to day dealings with others, and may hide their behavior better through practice effects- learning to be more subtle and not draw attention to themselves and risk arrest or other containment. A specific form of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) called CSC (Cognitive Self Change) based on Samenow and Yochelson's seminal work with offenders has documented marginal success at modifying the behavior of violent offenders, both [ censored word]ocial and otherwise (Barbour, 2013; Powell, & Sadler, n.d. ).
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2018, 12:00:13 PM »
Trudi Benjamin's HERO Mike Tesco writes today: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.msg437509.html#msg437509


GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD

Sheila believed that when God spoke, he must bark like a dog, or that if she barked like a dog that God would make the firearm officers understand her and no doubt she must have ammused herself knowing that the firearms officers, understood her intention and resolve, when she took on the voice of a dog..

DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
..


And NGB, Maggie, Lookout, David, Roch and co watch on and say nothing whilst Sheila Caffell is mocked in this way  *&^^&

They are all as bad as one another as far as I'm concerned!

I found this link on Mike Tesco http://jerseyabusescandal.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/turning-nasty-on-bamber-forum.html  Does anyone know who wrote it or if the claims are true? It was written in 2011 apparently.


Phone call from Jeremy, 4pm, today, 25th February 20011
"I received an unexpected call from Jeremy this afternoon, which I received at about 4pm, on my drive back from London. He said he wanted to talk to me about someone who had contacted him, using the name of HorseyDave, who sent Jeremy some document or other. Anyway, Jeremy got in touch with his campaign team, with a view to verifying that the document HorseyDave sent to him, was genuine. It turns out that it was faked, and that HorseyDave had edited parts out and included his own parts in. Jeremy says he needed to speak to me about it, because it was not healthy having someone like that claiming to know the family, and intent of trying to stir up a load of trouble. Jeremy told me that HorseyDave, or aka Johnson, has never worked on the farm, and that he has never been driving the tractor. Jeremy also says that the story HorseyDave made up about the gun cabinet is false, because there never was a gun cabinet at whf. Furthermore, Jeremy says there was never any aircraft landing lights found on their land, but the police or somebody did find a couple of lanterns which had been discarded in a nearby field - these were never recovered in connection with any drug investigation, but rather they were found as part of the investigation into the shootings at whf...
Jeremy says that he is being kept updated on a daily basis about the content of what is being discussed and that he will speak out if anyone  makes claims about knowing the family, and working at the farm around the time of the shootings. Jeremy thinks the relatives have put HorseyDave up to saying the things he is coming out with, and who knows this could be true or not...
In the Bamber files, there is mention of the police finding two lanterns in a hedgerow of one of the fields belonging to whf. From inquiries made by Essex police at the time, these two lanterns were normally kept in the kitchen at whf, and it is suspected that the two children took these out to play with them, and left them near the edge of a field - I don't actually know if this account is true, I am only reporting the facts which are documented along these lines, in the police file...
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,395.0.html


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.msg16312#msg16312

"In Mike Tesco's own words:
For the record, I have never shared a cell with Jeremy Bamber, I was merely in the same maximum security prison as he was, on the same wing, in the cell next door to him.
Although, I did spend Christmas dinner (December 1989) in his cell with him for a period of about four hours.
In the main I spoke to Jeremy a lot about his case whenever we had the opportunity, both during the day when we were studying on university courses and evening in our recreation time.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.msg16319#msg16319

What university courses is Mike Tesco referring to and can he provide evidence for these claims and why was he in the same prison as Jeremy Bamber? It has been claimed he was there for his own protection?

"Death of Mike Tesko, a suicide -  to be investigated by South Yorkshire police
South Yorkshire police are today looking into the circumstances surrounding the death of Michael Teskowski, who was found dead at his home address today. Police say that photographs contained on a digital camera found next to his body showed evidence that he had drunk a full bottle of whiskey within a space of about half an hour, and boxes of tablets believed to have been prescribed as medication in connection with illness he suffered from...
« Last Edit: May 25, 2012, 09:37:PM by mike tesko »

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2769.0

https://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/court-round-up-latest-convictions-at-doncaster-barnsley-sheffield-and-rotherham-magistrates-courts-1-7828859

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3945.0.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2018, 02:08:11 PM »
Mike Tesco displays all the signs of a psychopath imho. He's highly narcissist of that there is no doubt. His posts about himself are very telling and how he plays the victim. He's unable to take responsibility for his own actions. Thinks he's above the law. Numerous aliases, pathological lying. His apparent rages. Lack of remorse. All classic traits.

The DSM refers to it as [ censored word]ocial personality disorder. https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/[ censored word]ocial-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.7-(f60.2)

"Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by one of the seven sub features:
Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit or self-amusement,
Impulsive behavior
Irritability and aggression, manifested as frequently assaults others, or engages in fighting
Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
A pattern of irresponsibility and
Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

Comorbidity
The DSM-5 indicates that [ censored word]ocial Personality Disorder is comorbid with substance abuse disorder, and other personality disorders (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

The consensus is there is very little in the way of effective treatment for [ censored word]ocial Personality Disorder. Individuals with APD may have to be contained by the criminal justice system, through some combination of incapacitation (incarceration), supervision and monitoring (parole, probation, or house arrest), or informal monitoring by local law enforcement to contain their harmful behaviors to others to the greatest extent possible. Some research has shown that individuals with APD do feel degrees of empathy suggesting that at the very least some form of training may be possible (Meffer, Gazzola, den Boer, Bartells, 2013). There are also cases of individuals with APD converting to religion and finding strong conviction within themselves to reform and successfully integrate with society ("Confessions of a Christian Psychopath", 2011). The role of religion and spirituality as a possible treatment for APD is not well studied, and future research is warranted.
Incarceration may not be an effective deterrent to the [ censored word]ocial individual, as those with APD have difficulty learning from mistakes, are rigid in decision making, and are typically unresponsive to punishment (De Brito, Viding, Kumari, Blackwood, and Sheilagh, 2013). A primary reason that individuals with APD are often non responsive to punishment and deterrence is an inner belief system that views constraints and consequences as a rudimentary function of society, a group which they do not see themselves a part of.  The [ censored word]ocial may see themselves as existing above or beyond society, and thus their existence need not be confined to society's limitations and restraints; and on the contrary, those limitations and restraints are best utilized when exploited to the full advantage of the individual. As a result, for many with APD, incarceration may only serve to reinforce their primary belief system and have little effect towards future deterrence. 
The DSM- 5 as well as other sources note that individuals with APD may cease behavioral expression of their [ censored word]ocial belief system in their 40's (American Psychiatric Association, 2013) although this is inconclusive.  Other sources argue that [ censored word]ocials become too emotionally battered from a long term resisting of society and accumulate physical injuries from a lifestyle of neglect of medical and dental care, untended injuries, and drug and alcohol abuse.  This eventual emotional depletion may result in the [ censored word]ocial reducing destructive behavior or criminal activity simply due to being no longer physically capable.   But even in this case, the individual will still retain an [ censored word]ocial belief system in their day to day dealings with others, and may hide their behavior better through practice effects- learning to be more subtle and not draw attention to themselves and risk arrest or other containment. A specific form of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) called CSC (Cognitive Self Change) based on Samenow and Yochelson's seminal work with offenders has documented marginal success at modifying the behavior of violent offenders, both [ censored word]ocial and otherwise (Barbour, 2013; Powell, & Sadler, n.d. ).

What's the betting this is the same moron who owns the jeremybamberforum

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2018, 02:55:19 PM »
What's the betting this is the same moron who owns the jeremybamberforum

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0

This is the same Mike Tescowski.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2018, 02:59:53 PM »
This is the same Mike Tescowski.

I know  8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #174 on: April 22, 2018, 11:53:55 PM »
Expose the b........ ngb! It won't help Jeremy Bamber but it WILL make you feel a whole lot better 8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #175 on: April 23, 2018, 10:48:13 AM »
Expose the b........ ngb! It won't help Jeremy Bamber but it WILL make you feel a whole lot better 8((()*/

Interesting though that the jeremybamberforum is down to around 10 posters a day and ngb has decided to bring this up. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9398.0.html

Ngb states: "I have not revealed what I know and others here have also maintained confidences, but frankly this character should be exposed."

Reminds me a bit of David's FEB (as Holly refers to it).

Why now? Why bring this up when the forums dead? And why keep turning a blind eye to the quite apparent psychopath Mike Tesco, and others?

It's clear David started the thread in order to take the heat off himself because Holly has further exposed his sneaky, irrational behaviour.

David, you should have listened to your dad and gone to the newspapers. Your credibility is nought!

Actions speak louder than words ngb, anyone with a modicum of common sense knows this. Will be interesting however to see where this all leads or whether it's another ploy; like David's FEB.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 01:04:29 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2018, 01:07:36 PM »
LuminousWanderer was just frustrated that I had ripped apart his 'Sheila scenario' & then provided a source regarding Nevill being shot 4 times upstairs,  which destroyed his scenario further.

So focused on me, even creating a very abusive thread which was deleted. He will be banned if he behaves like that again, on either forum. However I rarely post on his threads.

To be fair other supporters focus on the poster if frustrated. David using his abusive images or 'gish gash' posts & Roch calling posters a 'tw..' as he did twice on Friday, or telling them to 'f--- off'.

Wasn't PH (Aka Mason Doyle) also banned from threatening the blue forum Adam?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2018, 01:48:11 PM »
What's the betting this is the same moron who owns the jeremybamberforum

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0

So what's the back story on how ngb hooked up with Mike Tesko?

Does anyone know?

How did these 2 meet?

Did ngb know Mike Teskowski was a convicted fraudster with a criminal history spanning decades?

Did he know Mike Tesco was a highly disordered individual?

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Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #178 on: April 23, 2018, 01:53:14 PM »
Interesting though that the jeremybamberforum is down to around 10 posters a day and ngb has decided to bring this up. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9398.0.html

Ngb states: "I have not revealed what I know and others here have also maintained confidences, but frankly this character should be exposed."

Reminds me a bit of David's FEB (as Holly refers to it).

Why now? Why bring this up when the forums dead? And why keep turning a blind eye to the quite apparent psychopath Mike Tesco, and others?

It's clear David started the thread in order to take the heat off himself because Holly has further exposed his sneaky, irrational behaviour.

David, you should have listened to your dad and gone to the newspapers. Your credibility is nought!

Actions speak louder than words ngb, anyone with a modicum of common sense knows this. Will be interesting however to see where this all leads or whether it's another ploy; like David's FEB.

Not sure how slagging off PH will further the Jeremy Bamber fight. His influence on the Bamber case is almost non-existent. It does, of course, allow old feuds and grudges to be brought to the fore  Almost like someone enjoys lighting the blue touch paper. This isn't the first time he's been dragged out of retirement, nor will it be the last. He's a handy tool I guess and some have learned how to use it to their best advantage!


Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #179 on: April 23, 2018, 02:04:02 PM »
Not sure how slagging off PH will further the Jeremy Bamber fight. His influence on the Bamber case is almost non-existent. It does, of course, allow old feuds and grudges to be brought to the fore  Almost like someone enjoys lighting the blue touch paper. This isn't the first time he's been dragged out of retirement, nor will it be the last. He's a handy tool I guess and some have learned how to use it to their best advantage!

I agree Caroline!

However, David has a quite apparent history of "slagging" people off!

Fancy alledgedly finding the address for Geoffrey Rivlin QC and debating with others whether or not to pop round and drop off his forensic evidence breakthrough. Now I bet he didn't discuss that with his dad!

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