Scene Of Crime Reconstruction

[APRIL]

The casings in the official found location, as per SOC officer DC Hammersley's trial testimony and DC Bird's soc photos, actually support JB's innocence. 
 

If all this alleged evidence of his innocence abounds, why is he still behing bars?

[Holly Goodhead]

If all this alleged evidence of his innocence abounds, why is he still behing bars?

I said "supports his innocence" not "evidence of his innocence". 

Our judicial system at trial isn't based on absolutes: innocent or guilty.  It's adversarial based on not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.  If a defendent ends up with an incompetent and/or negligent defence then he/she is likely to be found guilty regardless. 

A total of 25 or 26 gunshots fired at WHF on 7th Aug.  Any ideas why the jury didn't visit WHF along with the trial judge, expert witnesses, defence and prosecuting counsel?  The Jill Dando case involved a single gunshot and all concerned visited.   

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1323186.stm

[Samson]

I said "supports his innocence" not "evidence of his innocence". 

Our judicial system at trial isn't based on absolutes: innocent or guilty.  It's adversarial based on not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.  If a defendent ends up with an incompetent and/or negligent defence then he/she is likely to be found guilty regardless. 

A total of 25 or 26 gunshots fired at WHF on 7th Aug.  Any ideas why the jury didn't visit WHF along with the trial judge, expert witnesses, defence and prosecuting counsel?  The Jill Dando case involved a single gunshot and all concerned visited.   

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1323186.stm

They would have marvelled at the idea of shooting 5 bullets at June before essaying Nevill's execution. But the happy citizenry go to implausible blockbuster movies too. It's a miracle anything works in England.

[John]

I haven't seen any pathological evidence to this effect or PM photos. 

I would like to see soc photos of any bloodstaining to the carpet around and under SC's body and bible other than blood drips from June.

The mortuary photo which I provided for you in 2014.



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3929.msg146958#msg146958

[david1819]

The mortuary photo which I provided for you in 2014.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3929.0;attach=3856;image

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3929.msg146958#msg146958

That's not a mortuary photo.  That's a dummy from the reconstruction in a documentary.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg359225.html#msg359225

Her body was not taken away until around 11.15am. The blood would be too dry to create any smears IMO.

[Myster]

That's not a mortuary photo.  That's a dummy from the reconstruction in a documentary.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg359225.html#msg359225

Her body was not taken away until around 11.15am. The blood would be too dry to create any smears IMO.

If so, I'd like to know which documentary to make sure?

You've put a lot of work into those 3D images... I know how time-consuming and frustrating they can be to get right!

I think the cases could have rebounded off the wall to land as indicated by your dashed white line, or dropped straight down as Holly said. There's no way of knowing exactly where they'd finish up.

The problem is that the female model could be replaced by Jeremy Bamber. Two bullets fired into Nevill's jaw while he was in bed, then a hurried dash to the door and stairs, forcing his way past the perp who followed up with the other two shots to his shoulder and elbow from the position in your picture...

[John]

That's not a mortuary photo.  That's a dummy from the reconstruction in a documentary.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg359225.html#msg359225

Her body was not taken away until around 11.15am. The blood would be too dry to create any smears IMO.

I think people can see which was Sheila and which was an actress.  The photos below all depict actress Joceline Hamilton.
The dramatisation of the murders was produced in 2003 as a TV presentation for the True Crimes series.







ps  if you still need a clue David... Look at the nightie!! 

[John]

David might also be interested in, "Mike Tesko tries to fool everyone again with false photo of Sheila".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5977.msg217126#msg217126


Note to Holly.   I thought you would have realised by now how much total garbage comes out of the blue forum!!

The image I have posted in #153 above is real and was taken in the mortuary.

The image below was taken in the master bedroom prior to her removal to the mortuary.

[APRIL]

David might also be interested in, "Mike Tesko tries to fool everyone again with false photo of Sheila".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5977.msg217126#msg217126


Note to Holly.   I thought you would have realised by now how much total garbage comes out of the blue forum!!

The image I have posted in #153 above is real and was taken in the mortuary.

The image below was taken in the master bedroom prior to her removal to the mortuary.

I take it you mean the one taken AFTER Sheila and June had been 'removed', not yet dead, into another bedroom, furnished with brown MFI furniture, to be photographed, then repositioned back into the master bedroom to die and be photographed again?

[John]

I take it you mean the one taken AFTER Sheila and June had been 'removed', not yet dead, into another bedroom, furnished with brown MFI furniture, to be photographed, then repositioned back into the master bedroom to die and be photographed again?

      absolutely 

...there's nought flies on you April!

[Holly Goodhead]

 I have no idea whether the photo above was taken at PM or not but as far as I can see the same image features in CTSB at about 31.50 in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMRWx4uI3OM

[John]

I have no idea whether the photo above was taken at PM or not but as far as I can see the same image features in CTSB at about 31.50 in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMRWx4uI3OM

That's correct Holly, Crimes that shook Britain used both original stills shots from the mortuary and video dramatisation from the True Crime series.

Surely you don't honestly believe the documentary maker would have shown a still claiming it to have been that taken hours after her death if it was nothing more than a depiction?

[Holly Goodhead]

They would have marvelled at the idea of shooting 5 bullets at June before essaying Nevill's execution. But the happy citizenry go to implausible blockbuster movies too. It's a miracle anything works in England.

To make matters worse it is not even known for sure whether June sustained 5 gsw's to her body or 6. 

8 casings June side's of the bed (floor and bed).  2 around the entrance (DRH/3 and 4).  1 on the transition strip (DRH/13).  1 on the landing (DRH/14).  Total 12. 

At trial, through a process of elimination, MF agreed with Ed Lawson for the defence that June sustained a 6th gsw to her body which caused a bruise only around her chest.  Spent bullet DRH/5 may account for this. 

Others argue DRH/5 pertains to a graze only wound NB sustained to his elbow/chest.  If this is the case then there's one too many casings and this is where the theories about a stovepipe jam and an officer carrying on the sole of his shoe from the kitchen come from.

The whole thing is madness.  Every detail counts.   And yet here we are almost 32 years on not knowing!   

[John]

To make matters worse it is not even known for sure whether June sustained 5 gsw's to her body or 6. 

8 casings June side's of the bed (floor and bed).  2 around the entrance (DRH/3 and 4).  1 on the transition strip (DRH/13).  1 on the landing (DRH/14).  Total 12. 

At trial, through a process of elimination, MF agreed with Ed Lawson for the defence that June sustained a 6th gsw to her body which caused a bruise only around her chest.  Spent bullet DRH/5 may account for this. 

Others argue DRH/5 pertains to a graze only wound NB sustained to his elbow/chest.  If this is the case then there's one too many casings and this is where the theories about a stovepipe jam and an officer carrying on the sole of his shoe from the kitchen come from.

The whole thing is madness.  Every detail counts.   And yet here we are almost 32 years on not knowing!

Some details need never be known, all it requires is a sufficiency of evidence.

[Holly Goodhead]

That's correct Holly, Crimes that shook Britain used both original stills shots from the mortuary and video dramatisation from the True Crime series.

Surely you don't honestly believe the documentary maker would have shown a still claiming it to have been that taken hours after her death if it was nothing more than a depiction?

I've no real idea what goes into such a prog. 

John going back to how we got onto this I think you said blood welled up in SC's mouth and upon removal to the morgue it was expelled as per the image above?  This would mean SC wasn't moved substantially post gsw's by either JB or raid team?