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ferryman

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #480 on: May 11, 2017, 06:12:24 PM »
FAO: Faithlilly:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1988653/chilling-footage-of-serial-child-abductor-who-entered-victims-homes-in-early-hours-as-parents-slept/

Targeted abduction.

Depressing confirmation that Peter Voisey (England) is not alone in that modus operandi

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #481 on: May 11, 2017, 06:36:27 PM »
Irrespective of who lifted the tab for the meal ... there is no indication of who paid for the drinks in Kelly's.
From memory, the most likely bill was around €13.75.

Personally, I call that loose change.  Since Martin had a half-share in an apartment in Estrela, I have to run with the idea that he considered it pocket money too.  Do you think otherwise?

What the bills tell me is something excruciatingly simple, but very important.

The bill in both places indicate that the Smiths were very moderate drinkers.  I am not scoring points or making cheap shots here, so please take this with the honest intention it is offered.  The Smiths drank far less per capita than the T9.

This is crucial.  The Smiths did NOT go into Kelly's for a bevvy.

If for some weird reason their apartment had been drained of alcohol, there was a convenience store just around the corner where they could have stocked up on alcohol.  That store features in one of the videos of the McCanns at late-night Mass shortly after Madeleine disappeared.

I doubt they went in to meet up with someone they knew, given that Kelly's was near empty, they were not recognised by the bar maid, and they stayed for quite a while.

And that lot leaves just the beautiful game.

All roads lead to Hampden.
What's up, old man?

Offline misty

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #482 on: May 11, 2017, 07:09:34 PM »
I know exactly when the games finished.  It's public record.

If you wish to pooh-pooh my explanation, what's yours?

Simple question.  With an early flight the next morning, a pregnant unwell lady, a bill signed by neither 'gentleman', WTF do you think they headed to Kelly's for?

Any 2 + 2 = 4 will do it for me.   8((()*/

I'd like an explanation as to why none of the Smith group reported in their statements that the group split up temporarily before everyone reconvened in Kelly's. Otherwise, I lean towards the group being together for the duration, in accordance with the statement you value so highly for accuracy.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #483 on: May 11, 2017, 07:22:20 PM »
Kelly's sells cigarettes ... did the restaurant?

I have checked, in general.

Bars are permitted to sell cigarettes.  It is not popular trade, because prices are regulated to wafer-thin profit margins.  But hey-ho, if it gets another customer through the door, who knows what else you can flog them?

Smoking was legal inside restaurants and bars in May 2007.  The law changed on 1 Jan 2008.  This is unfortunate in the sense that there might have been more smokers outside premises if the law had changed a year earlier.

Now here's my problem with this explanation.

Martin and Peter make it around 45-50 minutes-ish in Kelly's.  Aoife makes it 30 mins-ish.  You don't need either to buy a pack of cigarettes.  From memory, there was one purchase of cigarettes in Kelly's that night, but outside of the Smith timeframe.

Why spend that amount of time in a pub, with pregnant unwell wife and early journey the next morning?  There was a convenience store nearby.  One of the 'gentlemen' could have nipped there for cigarettes and got back in under 2 minutes.

Kelly's is not about nicotine.  It is about the beautiful game.
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #484 on: May 11, 2017, 07:27:44 PM »
I'd like an explanation as to why none of the Smith group reported in their statements that the group split up temporarily before everyone reconvened in Kelly's. Otherwise, I lean towards the group being together for the duration, in accordance with the statement you value so highly for accuracy.
Kindly give me a pointer for anyone saying the group travelled from the Dolphin to Kelly's as a 9-some?

My memory is not improving with age, so perhaps I have missed it.

Muito obrigad (many thanks).   8((()*/
What's up, old man?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #485 on: May 11, 2017, 07:30:40 PM »
His overall theory is sound, even though he appears to have got it wrong with Tannerman.

The 20min gap existed and it was entirely predictable.  It was called 'main course'.

I don't know how Mr Horrock arrived at his vantage point, but he is correct about it.

I believe access to a front door key may have been involved.  It seems that BBC Panorama picked up on this.

A 20 minute gap didn't exist.

9:25 - after finishing their starters Matt & Russ leave to check

9:30 Matt enters 5A - his last check after his own and going to Russell's apartment

9:32 Matt returns to the table and informs Jane her daughter is unwell

9:38 Jane after wolfing down her main meal (her words)  returns to her apartment

9:45 Russell returns to the table for his main course

No 20 minute gap - not even close.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #486 on: May 11, 2017, 07:44:35 PM »
Kindly give me a pointer for anyone saying the group travelled from the Dolphin to Kelly's as a 9-some?

My memory is not improving with age, so perhaps I have missed it.

Muito obrigad (many thanks).   8((()*/

I'd be quite happy to accept that the 2 men sneaked off for a quick pint & the last 20 mins of the footy IF the statements said so. They don't. If that part of 3 statements is absent, what else is incorrect or not recalled?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #487 on: May 11, 2017, 08:03:57 PM »
I wonder who went to the trouble of digging out Mrs Smith's maiden name?


There is always the possibility that M.C Donnell or McDonnell was the name of the traders key operator.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #488 on: May 11, 2017, 08:23:51 PM »
There was one case recently highlighted on this forum in the US (or was it Australia) when the abductor was seen in CCTV hanging around the victim's house on previous evening(s) to the abduction.  Targeted.  That's just from memory. 
As for your theory being plausible - no.  Just no.  Would you genuinely feel proud to present your theory to Horrocks or Sutton or anyone at the Met?  Do you think they'd reply "yes Faithlilly that really is very plausible"?  Because if you do I would say you are deluding yourself rather seriously.

An Australian or US case has not added to Horrocks's experience though has it? Now a similar case that Horrocks has actually worked on? Oh and a cite for the case you mention?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #489 on: May 11, 2017, 08:26:35 PM »
An Australian or US case has not added to Horrocks's experience though has it? Now a similar case that Horrocks has actually worked on? Oh and a cite for the case you mention?
Oh FFS!!  Laughable goalpost shifting.  You asked for a case of a child being targeted in the way Horrocks suggests and now it has to be a case Horrocks actually worked on?!  To coin a favourite phrase of yours: "behave"!

Offline faithlilly

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #490 on: May 11, 2017, 08:43:08 PM »
Oh FFS!!  Laughable goalpost shifting.  You asked for a case of a child being targeted in the way Horrocks suggests and now it has to be a case Horrocks actually worked on?!  To coin a favourite phrase of yours: "behave"!

So no case that has added to this 'experience' we have been told about and, as expected, no cite for the Aus/US case ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #491 on: May 11, 2017, 08:52:10 PM »
So no case that has added to this 'experience' we have been told about and, as expected, no cite for the Aus/US case ?
I posted the cite already on a post which starts FAO Faithlilly.  You asked for an example, I gave you an example.  Now you are demanding another example because you've shifted the goalposts.  Please stop playing games.  I have no idea what cases Horrocks has worked on during his many years with the Met, nor do I see what point you are trying to make.  Have children been specifically targeted in abduction cases?  Yes.  Is Horrocks theory plausible and logical?  Yes.

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #492 on: May 11, 2017, 08:57:52 PM »
I posted the cite already on a post which starts FAO Faithlilly.  You asked for an example, I gave you an example.  Now you are demanding another example because you've shifted the goalposts.  Please stop playing games.  I have no idea what cases Horrocks has worked on during his many years with the Met, nor do I see what point you are trying to make.  Have children been specifically targeted in abduction cases?  Yes.  Is Horrocks theory plausible and logical?  Yes.

Yet, it is totally hypothetical and has no evidence to support it.


Alfie

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #493 on: May 11, 2017, 08:58:49 PM »
Yet, it is totally hypothetical and has no evidence to support it.
How many times do I have to say that I accept this is the case?

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #494 on: May 11, 2017, 08:59:49 PM »
How many times do I have to say that I accept this is the case?

How many times do you need to type your support for Horrocks ?

I think we know that already.