Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[stephen25000]

You obviously consider their reaction unnatural.
Do you believe that this unnatural reaction can be explained?

You are kidding, aren't you.

[Robittybob1]

You are kidding, aren't you.

The act of going down on your knees might have been part of their religion.   It is certainly a very humbling experience, if it was intended that way.

[Brietta]

You are kidding, aren't you.

I think it is a fair question.

[slartibartfast]

You obviously consider their reaction unnatural.
Do you believe that this unnatural reaction can be explained?

One explanation of behaviour that is unnatural from a UK point of view is that it is not genuine, other explanations would revolve around psychological issues or cultural differences. There may be other reasons.

[Benice]

One explanation of behaviour that is unnatural from a UK point of view is that it is not genuine, other explanations would revolve around psychological issues or cultural differences. There may be other reasons.

It's perfectly 'genuine' when associated with extreme shock and anguish - and is in the same category as being 'rooted to the spot' with fear unable to move -  or going dizzy and fainting when confronted with shocking news or a shocking sight.  Or even being unable to speak because your throat has constricted with fear.

People's legs do give way and they do fall to their knees when they become overwhelmed by an horrific situation.     Why anyone would question that is a mystery to me.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

It's perfectly 'genuine' when associated with extreme shock and anguish - and is in the same category as being 'rooted to the spot' with fear unable to move -  or going dizzy and fainting when confronted with shocking news or a shocking sight.  Or even being unable to speak because your throat has constricted with fear.

People's legs do give way and they do fall to their knees when they become overwhelmed by an horrific situation.     Why anyone would question that is a mystery to me.

AIMHO

No mystery at all, given your stance in this case.

A situation of their own making..

There lies the key.

[Benice]

No mystery at all, given your stance in this case.

A situation of their own making..

There lies the key.

So predictable.   When you don't have a counter argument revert to your usual mantra.

[stephen25000]

So predictable.   When you don't have a counter argument revert to your usual mantra.

As to counter argument, I would say their actions in front of the police are extremely revealing.

TOTAL GUILT over what they failed to do and a poor attempt at distraction from them.

No wonder the police didn't believe their story of abduction.

[Robittybob1]

I think Stephen tends to agree with Danny Collins in that there was no intruder.

[Brietta]

One explanation of behaviour that is unnatural from a UK point of view is that it is not genuine, other explanations would revolve around psychological issues or cultural differences. There may be other reasons.

Never heard of shock?  Never heard of uncontrollable bodily reaction?

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Researchers say they have identified how emotional trauma - from winning the lottery to losing a close relative - can trigger a potentially lethal catastrophe in the body they call the 'broken heart syndrome'.

    ////////

They say the news or event (of a traumatic event) causes the body to produce large amounts of stress hormones including adrenaline, which narrows the main arteries which supply blood to the heart.
This paralyses the heart's main pumping chamber, causing a sudden change in rhythm similar to a heart attack.

    ////////


Dr Christoph Nienaber, director of cardiology at the university, said: 'These patients suffer under a heavy emotional load, either positive or negative. Their hearts literally break. It usually happens within minutes to an hour of hearing the news.
'The typical scenario is bad  news but there are reports of  both and we don't know what causes it most.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2218009/Why-shock-kill-good-news--Release-adrenaline-sudden-discovery-lead-heart-problems.html#ixzz4pRUtKQ9o

I would say that sort of reaction over which there is no control would be sufficient for one to 'go weak at the knees' and collapse into the 'praying arab' position used to deride Gerry McCann during what most would describe as the single most stressful event of his life.
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Going further ... why would I or any other pontificate on extreme the grief of parents who have just discovered their eldest child is missing from her bed?

Is there anything to compare it with?  I've seen no other case where the horror of such an event has either been publicised and exploited to ridicule bereaved parents as in the Amaral video.

In my opinion, it is utterly despicable and beneath contempt as are most sceptic shibboleths.

[stephen25000]

Never heard of shock?  Never heard of uncontrollable bodily reaction?

Quote
Researchers say they have identified how emotional trauma - from winning the lottery to losing a close relative - can trigger a potentially lethal catastrophe in the body they call the 'broken heart syndrome'.

    ////////

They say the news or event (of a traumatic event) causes the body to produce large amounts of stress hormones including adrenaline, which narrows the main arteries which supply blood to the heart.
This paralyses the heart's main pumping chamber, causing a sudden change in rhythm similar to a heart attack.

    ////////


Dr Christoph Nienaber, director of cardiology at the university, said: 'These patients suffer under a heavy emotional load, either positive or negative. Their hearts literally break. It usually happens within minutes to an hour of hearing the news.
'The typical scenario is bad  news but there are reports of  both and we don't know what causes it most.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2218009/Why-shock-kill-good-news--Release-adrenaline-sudden-discovery-lead-heart-problems.html#ixzz4pRUtKQ9o

I would say that sort of reaction over which there is no control would be sufficient for one to 'go weak at the knees' and collapse into the 'praying arab' position used to deride Gerry McCann during what most would describe as the single most stressful event of his life.
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Going further ... why would I or any other pontificate on extreme the grief of parents who have just discovered their eldest child is missing from her bed?

Is there anything to compare it with?  I've seen no other case where the horror of such an event has either been publicised and exploited to ridicule bereaved parents as in the Amaral video.

In my opinion, it is utterly despicable and beneath contempt as are most sceptic shibboleths.

There in lies the irony.

I cannot comprehend people who defend what the McCann's did.

[G-Unit]

Never heard of shock?  Never heard of uncontrollable bodily reaction?

Quote
Researchers say they have identified how emotional trauma - from winning the lottery to losing a close relative - can trigger a potentially lethal catastrophe in the body they call the 'broken heart syndrome'.

    ////////

They say the news or event (of a traumatic event) causes the body to produce large amounts of stress hormones including adrenaline, which narrows the main arteries which supply blood to the heart.
This paralyses the heart's main pumping chamber, causing a sudden change in rhythm similar to a heart attack.

    ////////


Dr Christoph Nienaber, director of cardiology at the university, said: 'These patients suffer under a heavy emotional load, either positive or negative. Their hearts literally break. It usually happens within minutes to an hour of hearing the news.
'The typical scenario is bad  news but there are reports of  both and we don't know what causes it most.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2218009/Why-shock-kill-good-news--Release-adrenaline-sudden-discovery-lead-heart-problems.html#ixzz4pRUtKQ9o

I would say that sort of reaction over which there is no control would be sufficient for one to 'go weak at the knees' and collapse into the 'praying arab' position used to deride Gerry McCann during what most would describe as the single most stressful event of his life.
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Going further ... why would I or any other pontificate on extreme the grief of parents who have just discovered their eldest child is missing from her bed?

Is there anything to compare it with?  I've seen no other case where the horror of such an event has either been publicised and exploited to ridicule bereaved parents as in the Amaral video.

In my opinion, it is utterly despicable and beneath contempt as are most sceptic shibboleths.

The trauma could have been caused by the arrival of the police of course.

[Brietta]

There in lies the irony.

I cannot comprehend people who defend what the McCann's did.

Fortunately, there appears to have been a more humane attitude prevalent in Portugal at the time and subsequently.

Quote
this morning in Diario de Noticias: 24 Jul, 2007
Clinical psychologist Luis Villas-Boas, the director of a foster home in Faro, is surprised by the turmoil that is going on in british justice and press, even classifying the situation as "paradoxal and ridiculous". This is said taking into account the case of a 3-month old baby (meanwhile adopted by a portuguese family), that was abandoned close to Faro airport in 2001, by her parents, english citizens that flew to London at that time. "That was clearly a case of abandonment with exposure, which classifies as a crime that follows directly after homicide, in the Penal Code. And yet, as far as we know, that couple was neither condemned, nor arrested. I'm perplexed by the fact that the british are now worried about finding an accusation for the parents of the kidnapped child, when they were not worried about arresting a criminal couple a few years ago", he said.

According to that specialist, the McCann couple didn't reveal "intention or deceit" in the case of Madeleine's disappearance, who at the time was a week away from becoming 4 years old. "There was no crime of negligence, which is punished when someone is abused. Abandonment is a definitive disconnection, which implies intention or deceit, and Madeleine's parents did not intend to abandon their children. They just manifested an excess of confidence, having committed a mistake they now are confronted with in emotional terms, for the rest of their lives, if the child is not found. They are fighting to search for their daughter and they are suffering a lasting feeling of guilt. They don't need the courts for that", Villas-Boas reinforced.

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=a33984ec8ef5bef91e62b20f68652fac&start=45

[sadie]

The trauma could have been caused by the arrival of the police of course.

Hahahah

After they had sent for them?

Think again Gunit.

[stephen25000]

Fortunately, there appears to have been a more humane attitude prevalent in Portugal at the time and subsequently.

Quote
this morning in Diario de Noticias: 24 Jul, 2007
Clinical psychologist Luis Villas-Boas, the director of a foster home in Faro, is surprised by the turmoil that is going on in british justice and press, even classifying the situation as "paradoxal and ridiculous". This is said taking into account the case of a 3-month old baby (meanwhile adopted by a portuguese family), that was abandoned close to Faro airport in 2001, by her parents, english citizens that flew to London at that time. "That was clearly a case of abandonment with exposure, which classifies as a crime that follows directly after homicide, in the Penal Code. And yet, as far as we know, that couple was neither condemned, nor arrested. I'm perplexed by the fact that the british are now worried about finding an accusation for the parents of the kidnapped child, when they were not worried about arresting a criminal couple a few years ago", he said.

According to that specialist, the McCann couple didn't reveal "intention or deceit" in the case of Madeleine's disappearance, who at the time was a week away from becoming 4 years old. "There was no crime of negligence, which is punished when someone is abused. Abandonment is a definitive disconnection, which implies intention or deceit, and Madeleine's parents did not intend to abandon their children. They just manifested an excess of confidence, having committed a mistake they now are confronted with in emotional terms, for the rest of their lives, if the child is not found. They are fighting to search for their daughter and they are suffering a lasting feeling of guilt. They don't need the courts for that", Villas-Boas reinforced.

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=a33984ec8ef5bef91e62b20f68652fac&start=45

Have you read online other psychologists  and police views as to what the Mccanns did, which do not agree with the one you quoted  ?