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Offline jassi

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2017, 03:32:17 PM »
And three of the country’s top cold case officers have been brought in.

The three, from the ­Metropolitan Police’s Murder Review Group, are assisting the main Operation Grange team ­reviewing the Madeleine case files.

The combined salaries of the team total more than £1.3million with thousands also being spent ­following up leads, including at least four trips abroad.

The Met has vowed there will be no limits to the probe, which is being funded through a grant from the Home Office.

Already this year the cold case squad has seen Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, brought to justice over the 1993 murder of black teenager Stephen ­Lawrence.

Along with Commander Simon Foy, Mr Redwood and Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, Mr ­Campbell is part of a “Gold Group” monitoring the review.The group has met eight times since it began last May to discuss progress.

A spokesman for the Met said: “A Major ­Investigation Team is assigned to Operation Grange. Staff ­numbers are open to change ­depending on the needs of the ­review.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/232610/Cold-case-team-in-Madeleine-McCann-hunt

In responding to a Freedom of ­Information request, the Met said: “A major investigation team is assigned to Operation Grange.

“This is made up of one detective chief inspector, three detective inspectors, five detective sergeants, 19 detective ­constables, six police support staff.

“The MIT is assisted by three murder review group officers.

“Staff numbers are open to change depending on the needs of the ­review.

“The MIT also continues to work on its existing outstanding ­homicide cases.”

17 May 2013

martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt

#mccann Scot Yard says it has identified “more than a handful” of suspects for murder of Madeleine McCann in its review of Portuguese case

http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/met-police-review-jan-to-may-2013/

So by May 2013, OG are confident that they are dealing with a case of murder.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2017, 03:44:49 PM »
Lat's hope that Operation Grange manage to keep tracks on all the McCann case evidence;

The Metropolitan Police has admitted losing 13 unsolved murder files and is investigating whether they were destroyed by ‘corrupt detectives’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3803491/Met-Police-admit-files-13-unsolved-murders-vanished-victims-families-remain-unaware-following-corrupt-detective-probe-wake-Steven-Lawrence-case.html#ixzz4zGoMBXc4
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2017, 04:54:24 PM »
Right so we have a squad of officers a large number of whom are coming up to retirement [allegedly].
That leads to a few possiblities
1) Don't rock the boat.
2) Tread water until demob day.
3) Coming up to retirement => having been round the block a few times and less likely to be gullible.
We have a command structure and a job number to book to.
Translation of documents complete and data entered into computer.
Next move?
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Offline jassi

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2017, 05:09:23 PM »
Right so we have a squad of officers a large number of whom are coming up to retirement [allegedly].
That leads to a few possiblities
1) Don't rock the boat.
2) Tread water until demob day.
3) Coming up to retirement => having been round the block a few times and less likely to be gullible.
We have a command structure and a job number to book to.
Translation of documents complete and data entered into computer.
Next move?

4 Press start button and generate hundreds of computer-generated 'persons of interest'
5 Conduct interviews and enter this data into computer.
6 GOTO 4


GOLD group meets after every 10 cycles.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2017, 05:14:27 PM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2017, 05:21:12 PM »
4 Press start button and generate hundreds of computer-generated 'persons of interest'
5 Conduct interviews and enter this data into computer.
6 GOTO 4


GOLD group meets after every 10 cycles.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

No update for two years it would seem.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2017, 05:32:03 PM »
By April 2012 Operation Grange have discovered 195 investigative opportunities. But;

t's just simply that we're unable to answer them ...in the United Kingdom [Redwood]

So despite monthly trips to Portugal OG have not managed to persuade the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

Reading between the lines my opinion is that they can't ask the Portuguese to investigate these 195 leads because OG don't own the case. Perhaps that's why Redwood is now appealing for information, hoping it will bring in something that will change the Portuguese's minds.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

Confirming my opinion;

The "195 leads" announced before yesterday by the British authorities whilst they are reviewing the archived process were not yet officially revealed to the Judiciary Police, as CM found out, because they only are avenues of investigation and not specific facts that may point to the child's whereabouts.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_27_04_2012.htm


 

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Offline jassi

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2017, 05:39:17 PM »
By April 2012 Operation Grange have discovered 195 investigative opportunities. But;

t's just simply that we're unable to answer them ...in the United Kingdom [Redwood]

So despite monthly trips to Portugal OG have not managed to persuade the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

Reading between the lines my opinion is that they can't ask the Portuguese to investigate these 195 leads because OG don't own the case. Perhaps that's why Redwood is now appealing for information, hoping it will bring in something that will change the Portuguese's minds.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

Confirming my opinion;

The "195 leads" announced before yesterday by the British authorities whilst they are reviewing the archived process were not yet officially revealed to the Judiciary Police, as CM found out, because they only are avenues of investigation and not specific facts that may point to the child's whereabouts.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_27_04_2012.htm

As is well know with computers,, garbage in, garbage out.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline jassi

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2017, 05:57:59 PM »
By April 2012 Operation Grange have discovered 195 investigative opportunities. But;

t's just simply that we're unable to answer them ...in the United Kingdom [Redwood]

So despite monthly trips to Portugal OG have not managed to persuade the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

Reading between the lines my opinion is that they can't ask the Portuguese to investigate these 195 leads because OG don't own the case. Perhaps that's why Redwood is now appealing for information, hoping it will bring in something that will change the Portuguese's minds.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

Confirming my opinion;

The "195 leads" announced before yesterday by the British authorities whilst they are reviewing the archived process were not yet officially revealed to the Judiciary Police, as CM found out, because they only are avenues of investigation and not specific facts that may point to the child's whereabouts.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_27_04_2012.htm

I have heard  that HOLMES generates a lot of tick-box type documentation as well as what might be genuine leads, all of which have to be gone through because the system demands it.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2017, 06:38:19 PM »
I have heard  that HOLMES generates a lot of tick-box type documentation as well as what might be genuine leads, all of which have to be gone through because the system demands it.

I haven't actually seen what it looks like, aside from a millisecond shot of a screen during a documentary.

I would have thought that genuine leads, or red flags, would be the result of cross-referencing set against a number of criteria plus human analysis.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2017, 06:38:46 PM »
I have heard  that HOLMES generates a lot of tick-box type documentation as well as what might be genuine leads, all of which have to be gone through because the system demands it.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2562481/business-intelligence/holmes-2-database-shows-u-k--police-what-s-on-file.html

"In the Moorcroft case, HOLMES 2 stored data on more than 7,000 people linked to the investigation, including their ages, previous convictions and other personal data, said Peter Jackson, acting detective chief inspector for the Greater Manchester Police. As investigators interviewed people, they would bring their notes to a trained HOLMES 2 user, who entered the data into the system.
 Pieces of evidence are also described and logged, Jackson said. Closed-circuit television (CCTV) footage was also described and put into HOLMES 2. From the information in the system, investigators can make decisions about who to interview next, and that interview would eventually come back to the incident room for entry into HOLMES 2.

Specific queries are then made of the system based on names, ages and descriptions. The system can find common traits in the information, potentially raising the profile of those that police may want to focus on".
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2017, 08:09:32 PM »
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2562481/business-intelligence/holmes-2-database-shows-u-k--police-what-s-on-file.html

"In the Moorcroft case, HOLMES 2 stored data on more than 7,000 people linked to the investigation, including their ages, previous convictions and other personal data, said Peter Jackson, acting detective chief inspector for the Greater Manchester Police. As investigators interviewed people, they would bring their notes to a trained HOLMES 2 user, who entered the data into the system.
 Pieces of evidence are also described and logged, Jackson said. Closed-circuit television (CCTV) footage was also described and put into HOLMES 2. From the information in the system, investigators can make decisions about who to interview next, and that interview would eventually come back to the incident room for entry into HOLMES 2.

Specific queries are then made of the system based on names, ages and descriptions. The system can find common traits in the information, potentially raising the profile of those that police may want to focus on".


A rather sophisticated database then.
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Offline barrier

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2017, 08:52:58 PM »
By April 2012 Operation Grange have discovered 195 investigative opportunities. But;

t's just simply that we're unable to answer them ...in the United Kingdom [Redwood]

So despite monthly trips to Portugal OG have not managed to persuade the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

Reading between the lines my opinion is that they can't ask the Portuguese to investigate these 195 leads because OG don't own the case. Perhaps that's why Redwood is now appealing for information, hoping it will bring in something that will change the Portuguese's minds.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

Confirming my opinion;

The "195 leads" announced before yesterday by the British authorities whilst they are reviewing the archived process were not yet officially revealed to the Judiciary Police, as CM found out, because they only are avenues of investigation and not specific facts that may point to the child's whereabouts.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_27_04_2012.htm

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2017, 11:08:16 PM »
A rather sophisticated database then.

I don't know about "sophisticated".
It would seem to require a lot of operator intervention.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2017, 11:09:19 PM »
August 2012. Still sifting;

He said the police are sifting through a "large cache" of documents. Portuguese police are refusing to reopen the inquiry.

 Mr Hogan Howe said: "We are still reviewing a lot of material. It is a significant amount of money and we have quite a lot of officers tied up in this.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/64aug12/TELEGRAPH_24_08_2012.htm
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Grange methodology.
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2017, 11:28:25 PM »
I don't know about "sophisticated".
It would seem to require a lot of operator intervention.

I have worked with the SAP accounting system, which is basically a database. Provided the thousands of transactions were entered correctly a search would find them; for a VAT return, for example. If data entry staff didn't do their job correctly transactions might not be found, or they might be shown under the wrong heading. Garbage in, garbage out.

The other problem is that searching a database will bring up related facts. So the various people who reported that Matthew Oldfield went to do a check at 9pm can be identified. I can't think of a search which would reveal that the story changed from the check being after the Payne's arrival at the restaurant to before their arrival. 
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