Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[faithlilly]

Why - because he says he left by the patio door?
Mmm  2 other people say the meeting was uphill of the gate.
Maybe they are right and he is wrong

Gerry himself says he was uphill of the gate. Perhaps he saw Wilkins and walked up to meet him, after all he latterly told us that he went to the bother of crossing the road to speak to him.

[jassi]

Gerry himself says he was uphill of the gate. Perhaps he saw Wilkins and walked up to meet him, after all he latterly told us that he went to the bother of crossing the road to speak to him.

Why would you do that if someone had their back to you and was walking away from you on the other side of the road.?

[faithlilly]

Why would you do that if someone had their back to you and was walking away from you on the other side of the road.?

Wilkins crossed over.

[Alice Purjorick]

We have seen all the photos and all that good stuff.
Just how many gates are there?.

Kits, cats, sacks and wives how many were going .................

[pathfinder73]

You should check it on Google Earth.  I did and it was 50 meters.

Ok the distance from the secondary reception entrance to the man crossing I estimated was 30 metres? Let's see your proof that it's 50 metres. If it's 50 metres then it connects to my theory that Jane saw the man crossing much further away and did not pass Gerry and Jez talking by 5A gate.


It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

[pathfinder73]

Please do NOT misinform.  You are being disingenuous again.   Some call that lying, but I will not as it is against the rules.

It is NOT 30 metres. 

Distance from Tapas secondary reception to the man crossing is 47 metres, as near as can be measured on G.Earth.

Let's see your proof. If it's nearly 50 metres then it connects to my theory that Jane saw the man crossing much further away and did not pass Gerry and Jez talking by 5A gate.


It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

[Robittybob1]

Let's see your proof. If it's nearly 50 metres then it connects to my theory that Jane saw the man crossing much further away and did not pass Gerry and Jez talking by 5A gate.


It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Famous last words "Jane will be able to clarify this situation"!

[Robittybob1]

Why - because he says he left by the patio door?
Mmm  2 other people say the meeting was uphill of the gate.
Maybe they are right and he is wrong

"- because he says he left by the patio door?" - He does in one of his statements.
"2 other people say the meeting was uphill of the gate."  Which two other people?
"Maybe they are right and he is wrong"  What with Jane and her False Memory Syndrome, and Jez' imprecision!

[jassi]

"- because he says he left by the patio door?" - He does in one of his statements.
"2 other people say the meeting was uphill of the gate."  Which two other people?
"Maybe they are right and he is wrong" What with Jane and her False Memory Syndrome, and Jez' imprecision!

No. that was what they (Jane & Jezz) said in their FIRST statements - No false memory.
Even Gerry said he left by front door in FIRST statement.

Statement were only altered when it was realised that it didn't work. IMO

[Robittybob1]

No. that was what they (Jane & Jezz) said in their FIRST statements - No false memory.
Even Gerry said he left by front door in FIRST statement.

Statement were only altered when it was realised that it didn't work. IMO

I'm surprised you are quoting statements; very good.  But did you get it right?

"Gerry said he left by front door in FIRST statement" and here is me thinking he didn't say anything of the sort!  Who is right?

"As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant.""  Nothing about leaving by the front door there.

Some people on the forum even say Gerry didn't take his key with him, but that is another issue altogether.

[Robittybob1]

No. that was what they (Jane & Jezz) said in their FIRST statements - No false memory.
Even Gerry said he left by front door in FIRST statement.

Statement were only altered when it was realised that it didn't work. IMO

What does Jane and Jez say in their first statements?  Are they really in agreement?
Jane:  "She remembers that at about 21.10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him.

She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children."

See how Janes makes an error there!  Without even confirming it Jane has made the determination "that Gerry  had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children".  When in fact from what she saw, Jez and Gerry could have been talking all along and Gerry forgot to check the children.

Jez on the other hand allows for uncertainty.   "I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment."

From that I wouldn't say they agree except on the point they both thought Gerry had been in to check the children.  Yet don't say their actual reason for believing this.  Did Gerry actually say to Jez "the kids are just fine, I've just checked them".

[Robittybob1]

I'm pointing out the pitfalls of quoting statements  - They are so wholly difficult to remember them precisely, it surprises me that I don't know them word for word by now.

[sadie]

"21.15: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

No mistranslations, no out of scale drawings, no vague pointing out of position, no 'misremembering' due to the passage of time, written in English and agreed by both Gerry and Jane. For me this is where the talk took place.

Yep, and it is not verbatim, just stuff written up by someone who maybe did not have a perfect understanding of English.

[sadie]

Ok the distance from the secondary reception entrance to the man crossing I estimated was 30 metres? Let's see your proof that it's 50 metres. If it's 50 metres then it connects to my theory that Jane saw the man crossing much further away and did not pass Gerry and Jez talking by 5A gate.


It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Suggest you check it yourself.  easy on G Earth.

Rob is right.  As near as can be measured, the tapas gate (door) is 47 to 50 metres away from where Tannerman crossed when seen by Jane Tanner.

[sadie]

Let's see your proof. If it's nearly 50 metres then it connects to my theory that Jane saw the man crossing much further away and did not pass Gerry and Jez talking by 5A gate.


It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Check it yourself.  Easy peasy on G Earth.

You will find that it is about 47 - 50m