Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Vertigo Swirl]

I agree.  The first step may have been to get medical help, it was shut, so what does he do next?

Book her into a top secret hospice?

[ShiningInLuz]

So if you walked there is there a phone to use at the premises to call up the doctor, or do you have to go to somewhere where there is a phone to use?

They had mobiles in 2007.  I assume the Smiths had mobiles.

[G-Unit]

We seem to have progressed from misunderstanding evidence to speculating about something for which there is no evidence at all.

[Robittybob1]

They had mobiles in 2007.  I assume the Smiths had mobiles.

You can't be sure what a person had with them. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

We seem to have progressed from misunderstanding evidence to speculating about something for which there is no evidence at all.

That's progress?

[Robittybob1]

We seem to have progressed from misunderstanding evidence to speculating about something for which there is no evidence at all.

Well how do you understand when you read a statement/report in which it says Smithman was heading towards the beach?

E.g. From the "PJ Final Report": "Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach."
What does "lead to the beach"  mean to you? 
Looking at the Smith statements none of them mention anything about "in one of the streets that lead to the beach".  That seems to be a PJ interpretation to me.

[Robittybob1]

Book her into a top secret hospice?

OK so we should check admissions and appointments at other medical facilities.  How many 3 or 4 year olds were treated in accident and emergency facilities on the night of the 3/4th within a 50 km area  around PdL?
If it was a replacement child situation the name given would not be Madeleine McCann.

[Vertigo Swirl]

OK so we should check admissions and appointments at other medical facilities.  How many 3 or 4 year olds were treated in accident and emergency facilities on the night of the 3/4th within a 50 km area  around PdL?
If it was a replacement child situation the name given would not be Madeleine McCann.

This was quite a high profile case in the area - do you not think any medical staff that might have treated a child fitting Madeleine's description (particularly with her distinctive eye mark) on the night she went missing may have come forward to let the authorities know?

[Robittybob1]

This was quite a high profile case in the area - do you not think any medical staff that might have treated a child fitting Madeleine's description (particularly with her distinctive eye mark) on the night she went missing may have come forward to let the authorities know?

When was the fact about her eye known?  It wasn't on that night.  Next couple of days a busy clinic might have had some suspicion but not enough to raise the alarm, especially if the girl had come in with "her father".

[Vertigo Swirl]

When was the fact about her eye known?  It wasn't on that night.  Next couple of days a busy clinic might have had some suspicion but not enough to raise the alarm, especially if the girl had come in with "her father".

If you say so Robbitybob, I however think this theory can be filed in the "highly implausible" drawer.

[Carana]

Well how do you understand when you read a statement/report in which it says Smithman was heading towards the beach?

E.g. From the "PJ Final Report": "Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach."
What does "lead to the beach"  mean to you? 
Looking at the Smith statements none of them mention anything about "in one of the streets that lead to the beach".  That seems to be a PJ interpretation to me.

I answered that around a week ago when you last raised it, Rob.

ETA: So did you, by posting the diagramme.

[Angelo222]

But what you can't rule out is that someone seeing Madeleine in a distressed state and taking her to get medical or palliative treatment.

A remote possibility in my book.  If strangers did hear a child crying constantly in distress the correct action would be to inform reception immediately.

[pathfinder73]

Well how do you understand when you read a statement/report in which it says Smithman was heading towards the beach?

E.g. From the "PJ Final Report": "Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach."
What does "lead to the beach"  mean to you? 
Looking at the Smith statements none of them mention anything about "in one of the streets that lead to the beach".  That seems to be a PJ interpretation to me.

The street he was seen on takes you to the church then to the beach.

[Brietta]

Smithman goes up to LuzDoc  (it was closed) and then somewhere else.  Palliative care is just like nursing her.  Looking after her in other words.

His progress was charted at various points by the Smith party one group of which included Peter Smith.
Mary and Martin Smith saw him at another point of his walk.
Aoife had the last sight of him.

Did any one of them suggest he either approached or showed the slightest interest in LuzDoc?

[Brietta]

Nah, imo, he almost certainly didn't go to LuzDoc, Rob. 

Martin Smith and his group were standing right outside LuzDocs  .... and would have noticed.   The two other parts of the family were not far away either and looking in that general direction

Great minds, Sadie?  I think so too ;)